Quick Q regarding adding and removing liquidity

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wiesman02

So I always execute market orders. I pay .004 cents per share in fees, but I'm only trading 100 share lots right now.

Yesterday I lost $65, but w/ fees i ended up w/ $104 in loses.

Only traded about 4600 shares i believe.

I'm on sterling and can't get it to show all of my fees.

So if i'm executing only market orders does that mean I'm always removing liquidity ? So i'm really paying like .007 cents per share ?
 
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So I always execute market orders. I pay .004 cents per share in fees, but I'm only trading 100 share lots right now.

Yesterday I lost $65, but w/ fees i ended up w/ $104 in loses.

Only traded about 4600 shares i believe.

I'm on sterling and can't get it to show all of my fees.

So if i'm executing only market orders does that mean I'm always removing liquidity ? So i'm really paying like .007 cents per share ?
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Yes, market orders will always remove liquidity. you mean .004 $ per share not cents btw... If that is indeed your comission rate, then yes you are paying an extra .003$/share to remove liquidity.

- mnx
 
Quote from wiesman02:

So I always execute market orders. I pay .004 cents per share in fees, but I'm only trading 100 share lots right now.

Yesterday I lost $65, but w/ fees i ended up w/ $104 in loses.

Only traded about 4600 shares i believe.

I'm on sterling and can't get it to show all of my fees.

So if i'm executing only market orders does that mean I'm always removing liquidity ? So i'm really paying like .007 cents per share ?
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If you want to trade quickly you demand liquidity a trader who places a market order will always pay the bid/ask spread you take liquidity when you accept offers standing limit orders or quotes other traders have made.
 
I'm sorry. yes I'm $.004 per share. $4 per 1000 shares.

I'm not scalping. But i'm not holding too long. On a $50 stock, I'm looking for a 40-50 cent gain. Usually i'm holding btwn 10-25 mins Therefore, if the spread isn't that high, should i be placing a limit order of a penny above the ask if I'm going long, to save myself from removing liquidity every single time ?
 
If you buy by placing a limit order a penny above the ask, you are still removing liquidity. You need to join or penny the bid, or place a buy somewhere between the spread and hope someone hits you. Then you'll be adding liquidity and will be paid a credit (assuming you are routing to an ecn that pays for adding).
 
My suggestion is to buy/sell on ARCA and if not available then route out from there...active traders understand this and fees will eat you alive if you don't watch how/where you preference your trades...

If you work under the above example you should be getting more rebates than paying, hence reducing your overall trading cost by approx. 25% or so a general rule of thumb.

Many will argue doing this will allow you to miss a trade or two but in the long run it continues to work for me the vast majority of trading days.

Good luck!
 
Simply "Take on NYSE" "Park on ARCA" - unless you really need something, then take on NYSE, never ARCA or any other ECN for taking.

Don
 
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If you buy by placing a limit order a penny above the ask, you are still removing liquidity. You need to join or penny the bid, or place a buy somewhere between the spread and hope someone hits you. Then you'll be adding liquidity and will be paid a credit (assuming you are routing to an ecn that pays for adding).
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Tried that today. Thanks man. Placed a limit between the spread for both my buy and sell order. Saved a buck for 200 shares total.
 
Forgot to note that I figured out how to see all my fees. Gotta load 'default fees' file under settings. That might freaking help. Lol.
 
Quote from Don Bright:

Simply "Take on NYSE" "Park on ARCA" - unless you really need something, then take on NYSE, never ARCA or any other ECN for taking.

Don
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Good point taking from the NYB costs a lot less [0.0008 per share via EDGX RDOT]
 
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