Questions to Jack Hershey

Quote from jack hershey:

The log I jotted down was an events based list.


The next question would be:

R = Right
- that means a move towards the RTL, correct?
- What happens if you have an IBGS? Does that still count as an "R"?

TYVM,

Vienna

P.S. I am aware that these questions are probably elementary. Just don't want to start with a misinterpretation of your words....thanks for your patience!
 
Quote from jack hershey:

The log I jotted down was an events based list.


T= Trough

My last question relates to TROUGHS for the PrIce Column.
A trough is simply a bar that makes a LL relative to it's 2 adjacent bars, correct?

Thanks,

Vienna
 
Quote from jsp326:

Links please. If you can ramble incessantly, it shouldn't be hard to provide hard evidence instead of obfuscation and unsubstantiated claims.

My answers to you were short and sweet.

What I post technically and financially is out of your ball park.

We posted our trades in advamce and then the results for over a year in threads in forums.

Secondly, you have available time stamped typed conversations in sevral kinds of chat rooms (here in ET and elsewhere).

To make it simple for you I always use my name wherever I am.

It is true that those with crapped up minds cannot get through my filters. I appear to be speaking a foreign language to them. Then, as you do, state that the filter is working.

Check with the SEC for their mistaken sizing me up as an "insider trader". If a person is cited for insider trading and he isn't, then he is making money in a way that is not understood by the public or the regulators. You fit those categories.

Your judgements of me are just what I need from a detractor.

Try going away by putting me on ignore; make me disappear.
 
Hi Vienna:

I listed the letters and what they stood for on my brief log.

Under time you see a list of events.

Events 1 through 9 are a short trend.

Events 9 to 17 are a long trend.

each trend is completed by 9 events.

If you have a chart of "the Pattern" it is the same as the log.

You posted a chart that is a lot of bars and it represents a period where the market is going short and accelerates while doing so.

I was trying to explain how two parallelograms formed a cycle. I didn't get much of anything across as usual.

Recently, I posted an alternative request that a person do a proof to figure out how the pattern is the only possible solution to how the market works.

Imbedded in that proof is the cause of the consternation of the CW type traders who only see up/down pairs.

My objective was simple. I wanted to provide the information for soing the drill to learn and get into the mind the cycle of the market.

If it is possible for a person to imprint his mind with the events of a cycle by repetition, then he has a foundation upon which to build.

The giant and humungus secret of expert trading is to understand that trends MUST overlap and they do when a reversal begins and they do NOT when a retrace begins.

A point 1 of a parallelogram is the magic moment of an FTT and a beginning of overlap on a reversal.

Left is the dominant movement of price. right is the non dominant movement of price.

A person who is LOCKED INTO an up/down world is permanently screwed from being wealthy unless he is a salesman in the financial indusrty.

I tried with single letters and single words and the most simple container to help anyone learn to build a foundation for learning how markets work.

The market is cyclic. the cycle can be deduced and put into symbols.

B2B 2R 2B followed by R2R 2B 2R.....

The above gibberish as it is called, means something. It explains the ORDER OF EVENTS OF MARKETS.

Think about one thing for a while: Why must trends overlap?

The answer is that trends fail in the middle of their container.

This revelation is very significant.

The mind IS capable of figuring this out and making use of it to make more money than any movie so far has presented.

Start in the middle at FTT and work your way outward in two directions until you see things repeating.

Begin with a simple set of trends; see their interconnection and see the rigid interlocking of fractals that results.

This is the great thing about markets; most people's minds are so screwed up they cannot think in any way but how they were trained by Sister Wanda.

DO NOT MEMORIZE. Instead deductively build your mind with a set of inference that is deduced and matches what may be seen
 
Quote from jack hershey:

Hi Vienna:

I listed the letters and what they stood for on my brief log.


Jack,

I got your meaning! See attached...sorry for being dense. Sometimes I have to draw something to understand it....

thanks for your patience


Vienna:)
 

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I would like to see this nut Hershey put a book out.

Quote from jack hershey:

The log I jotted down was an events based list.

Under time, all I did was number to order of events.

I just listed what happens on "the Pattern" for a cycle which would include a long and a short in any order.

Your P,V is a more complex chart illustration.

All I wanted to achieve was a log of the simplest order of events.

My feeling is that if a person starts with a foundation, he can add building blocks as required to achieve having a fintie and fully differentiated mind.

The B2B 2R 2B is three parts. Part one involves tend overlap beginning and ending. B2 is those events. A peak of volume goes to a traough at the moment the price crosses the former RTL of the prior trend. This is called the BO of the RTL (at a volume trough) Price is a portion of the way through its first movement called B2B. B2B means Balck to Black and thus is a long first move of a trend. At the B after the 2, the price arrives at point 2 of the new parallelogram.

When you hitched the price volume chart to the log list, you didn't do yourself a favor in any way.

I can never imagine what anyone will do to what I post. I correct it to contribute to getting a common page for both of us.

The market is very simple. Its representation has to be simple as well.

It would be very illogical for the market to turn out any other way since is is so large and has so many parasites called the financial industry.

The financial industry lobbies and cheats to make up new things faster than the regulators can keep them honest.

What is so neat about all of this is that the huge markets are, in fact, self policing and these perpetrators kind beat themsleves in any way. when they do something like serious big time cheating (swaps being tranched), they really get screwed and take all the financial planners and their clients with them.

To have our immunity to this takes scientific integrity on the level of the laws of gravity, and field theory, etc....

the log, the pattern and all the sets are a system based on how the basic and fundametal building blocks of Science must be deployed.

cheaters and shortcut types can't get this. covel immersed himself for 8 years in the societiety and culture of financial industry preactioners. And he became one of them.

we do not do that. we come to markets and just take out of the market the full offer of the market.

We build the simplest rationally based foundation.

It is a container that can signal the beginning and end of a market episode based upon events that can strech or shrink like an accordian.

For me I want along inventing many many "outsider tools" so as an adjunct I had 10 to 12 leading indicators of the price I made money trading. Some are very humorous in their construction.

But the serious business required a foundation. And on top of that go the building blocks. thisstuffis deductively reasoned out. It could be no other way.

To do thePEP and it applications, you must relax and begin with a clean slate. It is like going into a new science; do not bring any baggage.

the variable of the markets has to be a binary vector. I know some people think they have figures out I am using poor ill defined terminology. that turns out to be their problem and they go away and never return.

A binary vector has magnitude and direction in a non-continuous mathematics. No probability is used by obeying the market's dictate of long or short. How steep the market is tipped is the magnitude. the slope is the direction: long or short.

money can only be made with price change.

Make a 5 cycle log. Use the one letter symbols I have provided.

Implant in your mind the foundation.
 
Quote from Vienna:

Jack,

I got your meaning! See attached...sorry for being dense. Sometimes I have to draw something to understand it....

thanks for your patience

Vienna:)

Jack never use Peak (P) or Trough (T) to define or describe price. I believe that some typing errors occur in the table of P V order of events. (http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3339789)

The following is how I see it. Stand to be corrected.

<img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3344708>
 

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Jack,

Do you think the Score sequence in following The Pattern graph you posted is incorrect?

<img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2745634>
 
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