Questions about credit spreads!!! Help me!

Quote from sle:

Very shortly before I have to dive back :)

On the hedge fund side, you are making a key mistake in thinking that fund managers actually care about returns (which makes sense, you are a prop trader after all). They mostly don't.

The majority of the large fund mangers only care about the size of AUM. Everyone knows that the way to get rich is to play the long game collecting 2 points on a few yards for years in a row and getting 20% of an occasional punt. Steady returns are simply another way to attract and retain capital, rather then a purpose of the business. Some funds have actually made a (honest) leap and became asset managers rather then funds (e.g. AQR).

Given that the key is raising AUM, simply being a naked seller of convexity is not the way to build a 10bn fund - you'd never pass DD. Instead, everyone wants (and builds) a multi-manager structure and manages it as a basket of options. For a long-term scam, you have to force tight risk limits on your managers and very few of them have room to sell convexity and many of them (especially LS guys) are actually hedging their market exposure.

I'll get to the bank business later.

Actually, you are right about that. And I guess we need to break funds down into more categories. You are right that very large funds have no incentive to kill their golden egg. But I also don't believe they are necessarily buying convexity either. They are more often then not in the more conservative buy and hold crowd with less leverage. Perhaps their "convexity" is coming from the private equity space.

But smaller funds are NOT making anything on their 2%. They need to generate returns and most will bleed to death if they are waiting for a long gamma bet to pay off.

Bankers however get no such management fee. They get to earn a cut of their p&l if they are right and lose nothing if they are wrong. Truly the most blessed among us. :)
 
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But smaller funds are NOT making anything on their 2%. They need to generate returns and most will bleed to death if they are waiting for a long gamma bet to pay off.
Given the demands for convexity coming from hedgers, smaller fund are not making a dent there. With S&P at all-time highs, where do you think 10y S&P variance swap? 27 @ 28. Somehow, nobody is selling it.

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Bankers however get no such management fee. They get to earn a cut of their p&l if they are right and lose nothing if they are wrong. Truly the most blessed among us. :)
No true. For a trader at a bank, "management fee" is the value of the seat. If you are in the right seat, money just sticks to your hands - a corporate trade (ASR or a CB hedge) here or there, pension fund flow, insurance company comes to buy var etc.

If you stick around, you get paid something nice though not "incredible". You just have to be at or over your P&L budget while balancing against a fairly tight set of risk limits. On the other hand, if you blow up you get canned and, chances are, you'd never get another trading job. Extreme upside is capped, plus, as a line trader, you only really get paid "tons" if (a) you made a f*ckload of money (b) your firm made a f*ckload of money and (c) the street as a whole made a f*ckload of money.

PS. I think the reality of what happend in 2008 escapes the public - the key cause was not the malicious selfishness, but rather stupidity and complacency. People like Taleb perpetuate that myth because it serves well their cause (Robin Hood style B/S).
 
The hedging community is like 10x the size of the vol community.

When I was trading flow, I would get long short funds who would spend 2MM on puts to hedge against earnings. For them it was 10bps of their fund. For me, it represented potential death. This was constant.

And then much of the vol community can't be short convexity (banks, and many multi-manager funds like citadel and millenium) don't allow vol desks to be short a lot of convexity. At my firm it was the principle risk measurement - gap 10 and gap 20.
 
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Taleb argues that option tails are under priced because it's almost impossible to price the tails effectively. Anything extreme is hard to predict. And when he says they are under priced, he is not saying they are off by a few percent. It's usually in the magnitude of 100's of times that.

Stuff around the mean is usually fairly predictable. Anything that has a high concentration of data points around the mean. Average income, average height, average grade on a test, average wins in a baseball season, etc.

A very interesting idea. Is there a good book/information resource about this?

Would this mean that you better try to center your strategy on "stuff around the mean" and cancel out the tails?
 
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