Question for the Athiests

Quote from Barth Vader:

I would respectfully disagree.
It is quite one matter to be familiar with ones own bias, it is another to be familiar, in depth, with the opposing point of view.

Stu's reply made it evident that he was not familiar with mainstream christian theology, which is fine, but your failure to understand or be familiar with the subject matter, does not make me a "hippie" LOL
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In depth familiarity with the subject matter of mainstream christian theology or of Mother Goose, does not alter what they both are
How much in depth knowledge do you need to recognize folk lore and fantasy when you hear it?


"The knowability of G-D is not the knowability of G-D..." is hippy talk dude. Whether you like it or not.
 
Quote from NeoRio1:

"He is, therefore, visible only to faith and can be attested only by faith........"

You have faith that god exists.

There is no fact because you just agreed that it isn't a fact.

Therefore my argument of Frodo and Gandalf being real is just about as legit as your argument of god being real.

Why is it just as legit? The reason is because in order to believe in a god all you have to do is have faith that the god or idol exists. I can easily say that I have faith that Frodo and Gandalf exists and existed so therefore my argument is just as strong as yours.

Barth Vader your long monologues of explanations pertaining to why there is a god only shows your insecurity and lack of evidence when it comes to proving there is a god.

This is your one and only argument for proving there is a god- "I believe in god and so therefore he exists."

This is my one and only argument for proving that Frodo and Gandalf existed- "I believe that Frodo and Gandalf existed so therefore they existed."

I am a very big fan of religion and the morality it inspires people to have but honestly I cannot bring myself to believe in a god with so little reasoning behind it.
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Good morning,

I appreciate your remarks.

While perusing the various trading related threads on this site, I noticed that a person kept using the term "hopium"........ I was immediately struck by the weight that the meaning of that "word" had.
I would assume that the poster was saying that "hope" can become an opiate. The poster was using the term in a trading related context, but the concept is valid elsewhere also.

My remarks to date, did not address another important component, which is "faith" becoming a personal "fact".
If my "faith" did not produce some sort of "flesh" to cover the "skeleton" of my faith, then I would, whether it was over the course of a month or fifty years, be a victim of "hopium", and would rightly be disappointed.


Faith cannot rest on the strength, cunning, or desire of the individual, again "hopium".....faith is, and must be deposited in the Lord's "bank", and He pays "interest" on ones' faith. This is a "fact" that I can attest too.

I can not, nor would I endeavor to "convert" anyone. That is not the "job" of any follower of Christ. My "job" as it were, is to be ready with an answer, to testify as to my knowledge of how the Lord has worked in my life, and of others.

Respectfully
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

So you mind was deluded for 50 years, then that deluded mind concluded that you were deluded, and now you are as sure as you were then when you were a theist that atheism is is the "true" reality of life.
Extremists when they snap, do tend to go 180 degrees in the opposite direction...

You probably can't see it, but your faith and certainty in God were swapped for your current faith and certainty in non God.

A neutral state would of course be more rational when going from one extreme, but the typical ET atheist who is a former sincere theist has a major axe to grind and deeply emotional resentments against theism, theists, and God.
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To say no faith is a faith is like saying baldness is a hair color.
 
After 50 years of being a Christian Baptist, you miraculously threw down your crutches and walked.

How very faith healing of you...

Quote from vhehn:

i guess if you dont have to be intellectually honest with yourself and need a crutch to guide your life it can work for you. only one question. which god concieved throughout history do you pick? most of them promise to torture you forever if you make the wrong choice.
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To deny your own faith, is to deny that you take a breath.

Like the other militant holy roller atheists, your soapbox is ever present, as are the resentments against those who employ a different faith than yours.

What was it, were you an innocent alter boy that was buggered by a priest?

Quote from stu:

To say no faith is a faith is like saying baldness is a hair color.
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Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

To deny your own faith, is to deny that you take a breath.
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You can't deny a faith you don't have.
That's all there is to it.
Perhaps it's the one dimensional closed minded pre concluding ( and obviously depraved) mindset which restricts your understanding of the most straightforward of things.
 
You are so in denial about your faith that it staggers the intellect...

How old were you when you were first buggered in some confessional anyway?

Five, six, seven?

How many years did that go on? I assume through puberty...

Quote from stu:

You can't deny a faith you don't have.
That's all there is to it.
Perhaps it's the one dimensional closed minded pre concluding ( and obviously depraved) mindset which restricts your understanding of the most straightforward of things.
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Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

You are so in denial about your faith that it staggers the intellect...

How old were you when you were first buggered in some confessional anyway?

Five, six, seven?

How many years did that go on? I assume through puberty...
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A most spiritual and compelling response. Are you self-actualized yet?
 
"A most spiritual and compelling response. Are you self-actualized yet?"

Strawman, ad hominem.

And as long as you started it...

Hmmm, perhaps you were buggered too. That would explain a lot.

Quote from Thunderdog:

A most spiritual and compelling response. Are you self-actualized yet?
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