Question for the Athiests

[I am...]

Quote from vhehn:

no those are just concepts of a primitive mind. any serious research on the concept of satan can track its conception over the centuries.
what happens when we die? what happens to any animal when they die?

Yes, any serious research can track its inception over the centuries, because s.a.t.a.n., properly understood, is the "primitive" mind which makes *nothing* look like something ["the universe"], and then covers it's tracks. All of history is a script it wrote, followed faithfully by the flocked.

Christ!

 

[I am...]

Quote from FeenixRizin:

be very,very,very,very leery of anyone who claims your mind is primitive as compared to his own superior mind


what the hell drives these people? ego, narcissism?


yes

Yes, pretty much. A narcisstic ego-like mind makes the universe, and controls all thought within it, until its influence is deliberately "overcome", and cast off. It is very much about comparisons...so everything it makes is different from reality, and different from anything else. Thought, within its realm is 99.999% it's thought, as it thinks on multiple levels in multiple threads of thought.

The world is what it has thought about and recorded. It is playing out, nOt live, but "Memorex". It has a thousand ways that add up to total thought control, to hide the strings attached to every mechanical impulse that can be measured within its realm. A scientist is not able to prove a connection between what is seen, what can be measured, and the invisible thought behind it. This must be deduced with the aid of an inner wisdom, which "the universe" would obliterate from your mind [symbol: big bang].

This is the proverbial "belly of the whale", or, as some say, "the matrix". It's vital to one's escape to assess his situation, and step carefully out of a labyrinth of deciet. It is essential to "get" that it is ultimately self-deciet, by identifying with the mind that makes the mind that makes "the universe" as a place to hide from truth. It decieves as its effects continue to want what it wants, aligning with its purposes. It wants to deny reality, for reasons not aligned with the truth.

It is like an ego in the mind that makes it by inviting it into its mind. No sooner it is invited in, it seeks to possess its host. As it remains welcome, it holds you hostage, your every thought its own...until you come to your senses.



Christ!

 

[FeenixRizin]

Quote from I am...:

Yes, pretty much. A narcisstic ego-like mind makes the universe, and controls all thought within it, until its influence is deliberately "overcome", and cast off. It is very much about comparisons...so everything it makes is different from reality, and different from anything else. Thought, within its realm is 99.999% it's thought, as it thinks on multiple levels in multiple threads of thought.

The world is what it has thought about and recorded. It is playing out, nOt live, but "Memorex". It has a thousand ways that add up to total thought control, to hide the strings attached to every mechanical impulse that can be measured within its realm. A scientist is not able to prove a connection between what is seen, what can be measured, and the invisible thought behind it. This must be deduced with the aid of an inner wisdom, which "the universe" would obliterate from your mind [symbol: big bang].

This is the proverbial "belly of the whale", or, as some say, "the matrix". It's vital to one's escape to assess his situation, and step carefully out of a labyrinth of deciet. It is essential to "get" that it is ultimately self-deciet, by identifying with the mind that makes the mind that makes "the universe" as a place to hide from truth. It decieves as its effects continue to want what it wants, aligning with its purposes. It wants to deny reality, for reasons not aligned with the truth.

It is like an ego in the mind that makes it by inviting it into its mind. No sooner it is invited in, it seeks to possess its host. As it remains welcome, it holds you hostage, your every thought its own...until you come to your senses.



Christ!

you are one funky dude.

compassion is the inherent ability to except that all are wrong without exploiting their error

 

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

I'm neither a physicist or a theologian.
But just out of curiosity, and solely for the sake of discussion, (laymen's terms please) what do you science oriented guys think about the article below?

[".... "]

I don't think you need be either to notice the article contains illogical and obvious contradiction.
What else is there about it to discuss ?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

I don't think you need be either to notice the article contains illogical and obvious contradiction.

In that case apparently I'm less than neither.

I don't suppose you would be so kind as to point out those specific contradiction(s)?

 

[trendlover]

Quote from Lucrum:

In that case apparently I'm less than neither.

I don't suppose you would be so kind as to point out those specific contradiction(s)?

Lucrum, what I see in the article, and I am not educated in that science, is this. They are saying because no one can measure eternity or infinity, them it must be god, becasue only a god could do that. So they are saying if they can not find an answer to something, then it is god.

 

[I am...]

Quote from FeenixRizin:

compassion is the inherent ability to except that all are wrong without exploiting their error

Yes. The error functions at the expense of truth, yeilding a cruel prison of planets and bodies. So the error functions as the truth is sacrificed. Mercy is the end of sacrifice, so it is the restoration of truth, beginning first with one's own awareness of it. As one become's more aware, the light begins to spread. Every time I open my mouth, light is shed on the darkness that poses as the truth of 'reality'. I open my mouth whenever the darkness get's in my face, so-to-speak. Although I propose a right-vs-wrong agenda, it is not to be mistaken for a guilt promoting agenda. That agenda is promoted by christians in the name of Christ which exploits the error that makes this universe. The mind that makes it thinks it is guilty, and makes the universe in order to hide. The basis for it's sense of guilt is false...so it is "wrong" about GoD, wrong about GoD's Son, and so, wrong about itself. Christianity sells guilt to those who already feel guilty, consciously and subconsiously. And it is this sense of guilt that, over time, manifests all of the cruelty and suffering in "the universe". So christianity continues to sacrifice to idols, literally sacrificing the truth to the gOd of this world, which is an idol that I have judged to be s.a.t.a.n., an extra mind made as a machine to make lies appear to be the truth. It functions as a separation analogue [acronym: s.a.t.a.n.] to show what the opposite of oneness looks like...what is opposite reality...what is opposite Christ...what is anti-christ. As idols function, they block out the knowledge and experience of truth. So the entire experience of "the universe" is simply not true...as in: insignificant dream...a mirage. It's sole existence is fueled by belief, and when faith is withdrawn from it, the idol "dies". In a right-vs-wrong agenda, the only "right" thing to do is to "die" to the idols effects, which postulate that "you" are a separate limited being somehow identified with a body that will eventually die anyway. The kind of death that Jesus taught is to withdraw belief in one's 'self', as s.a.t.a.n. has defined it. S.a.t.a.n has defined everything as it has gained consent by temptation, confusion, distraction, delusion, and deception. If one withdraws faith in the false 'self' and puts it in the true Self, the false dies, and the truth lives...as Christ: the totality of reality and truth and life. The best, first step anyone can take in this direction is to admit that they may be wrong about everything they currently believe is true. In a right-vs-wrong agenda of this scope, the only right ["righteous"] thing to do is to * go home *. That is why Jesus fulfilled all righteousness. He said, "I go to the Father". And then he went. That is the most compassionate thing he could do for himself, and for the world.

Christ!

 

[I am...]

Quote from Wallet:

http://www.metaresearch.org/cosmology/DidTheUniverseHaveABeginning.asp

Whatever the big bang was, it was not a beginning of reality, or anything *Our Father* creates. Rather, it is the symbol of destruction...the destruction of reality...the destruction of what was before. It functions as a wall to the truth...a shield to protect an alternative reality from being exposed for what it is: nothing. As you give it credence, you are actually learning atheism. Vehn is a little ahead of you, having graduated successfuly from athiesm school. At the pace you are learning, you are next.

Christ!

 

[I am...]

Quote from I am...:
In a right-vs-wrong agenda of this scope, the only right ["righteous"] thing to do is to * go home *. That is why Jesus fulfilled all righteousness. He said, "I go to the Father". And then he went. That is the most compassionate thing he could do for himself, and for the world.

Christ!

Conversely, the exploitive, incompassionate thing to do is to promote the idea that Jesus will come back to "rule", or otherwise fix a mess that does not exist! To suggest he come back to unreality is to suggest that unreality is the truth. This is backwards. Reality and truth are restored only as what is untrue is cast out of the mind that believes in it. As such, "the universe" is like a 'demon' possessing the mind of Christ. It is there by invitation, belief and consent. It is not there. So it is cast out by withdrawing belief in it. This is only possible as each one identifies with Christ, who's mind is possessed by the belief...and choosing to believe otherwise...believe in the truth instead.

Christ!

 

[I am...]

Quote from athlonmank8:

Now sit down and really ponder this for a second.....I need a GOOD answer for this.

I've heard of plenty of your ridicule of God, and your 10 questions on "if he really did exist". It's all garbage. Now i've got one for you.


Do you care to explain how the earth by itself, which could NEVER craft anything as intricate as even the faces on Mount Rushmore, could design something as complicated as a human being?

I mean seriously. Would love to hear your response to this....

Simply stated.....In order for you to believe in the big bang or whatever....you would also have to believe that the faces on Mount Rushmore could in fact be made by nature. Heck..that's just a piece of cake too.

Anyone of you care to field this, or does your mind simply go on auto-pilot when common-sense has to kick in.

Finally! My common sense just kicked in!

In order for you to believe in the big bang or whatever...you would also have to believe:

A. that "nature" could chisel faces out of stones
B. that GoD is the author of explosions and men.

A. Those who say that the symetry of four faces could be etched over time by magma wind and water are stretching it...extending faith...rationalizing...postulating...jumping to conclusions.

B. Those who say that the symetry of man is created by God are also stretching it...extending faith...rationalizing...postulating...jumping to conclusions.

But what if neither of these are true? And what if belief in either of these obliterates your hopes of ever knowing anything that is true? Who says we must believe in a big explosion as our genesis? Why an explosion? Why time? Why the appearance of change over time?

If *Our Father* has nothing to do with either A. or B. then it should be clear that the big bang obliterates all memory of GoD, or any evidence of GoD, or any hope of ever returning to GoD.

I do not necessarily believe anything I see is true. And if it is not true, then whatever is out there is assaulting my mind with a lie. So I conclude that the big bang explosion is like a bullet in the head, and its effects are an assault on GoD...IF THEY WERE TRUE.

I'm simply pointing out that "the universe" forces a way of thinking on whatever sees it as real. And that thinking falls into patterns which exclude the kind of ideas I am bringing to the table. I'm saying it is intentional...intentionally confusing...intentionally dark.

The universe exists for what wants to believe in it.
The universe is gone for whom it is unbelievable.
Each believes as he wants, wanting what he believes.
Each is given what he wants by the power of GoD.
...even if it is a lie.

Christ!