Question About Animals In Christianity

[stu]

Quote from Aapex:

Your speaking out of anger and misreading the text of Holy Scripture. Where do you read that Adam and Eve could not sin?
God did not lie. He gave a direct order that was disobeyed.
Does this bother you?

No, it doesn't bother me, but perhaps it should bother you, were it that integrity matters at all.

Quote from Aapex:

Perhaps we can read the text together and allow the Bible to speak for itself?

Let it be so.
Now, please read verse 22 again.

"Then the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever' ”—

The Bible "teaches us" as you so quaintly put it, that only after Adam has eaten does he "NOW" know good and evil.

Not surp[rising really seeing as how it was the Tree of Knowledge which leaves Adam unknowledgeable before. So there was no sin of willful transgression.

.Adam "has BECOME like one of us",.
He did not know and could not have known what was good and what was evil before he ate the apple..He could not have known it was evil wrong sinful or whatever not to be able to carry out what was God's impossible order


In the Genesis allegory, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’” .

There is shown no cause, other than God's own willful deceit, for Adam to die. The Tree of Life was available, according to the Bible. So what is often attempted by apologists to be portrayed as a wise and loving God , is nothing more than a decietful disproportionately hateful,, cruel vicious and vengeful tyrant, who would blame the whole of humanity to come, for nothing more than Adam's unwitting, unwilled unknowing appetite for apples.



Genesis 2

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam had no knowledge, and God did not point out which was the Tree of Knowledge.
Adam did not die that day. God lied.
In the Bible God was deceitful to Adam and Eve, who were, unknowing, incapable and innocent characters.

The Bible is clear. God is the big bad wolf in all this and religious apologists have no choice but to "misunderstand as to what the Bible Teaches". in order to disguise that fact.
Red Riding Hood "Teaches" better. The nasty bad basatrd gets slain.

 

[BloodTrader]

I was listening to a Christian radio station a while back and this topic came up. It was a call-in format. Some kid, who sounded like he was about 12 called in and asked if his dog would go to heaven, too. The doltish host of the show explained patiently to little Johnny that, no his dog couldn't go to heaven because, unlike us, he was not made in the image of God.

Which makes me wonder... why would God want to look like us?

bt

Quote from Li Ka Shing:

Hi everyone,

Would like to ask a question...

Do animals have souls?

After animals die, will they go to heaven/ hell too?

Is there any clue or guidance about this matter anywhere in the Bible?

And what if the animal has a close emotional bond with a human? Say for instance, me and my pet, for example. Does that increase the likelihood of a reunion in after-life?

Many thanks...

 

[Aapex]

Quote from stu:

No, it doesn't bother me, but perhaps it should bother you, were it that integrity matters at all.
Let it be so.
Now, please read verse 22 again.

"Then the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever' ”—

The Bible "teaches us" as you so quaintly put it, that only after Adam has eaten does he "NOW" know good and evil.

Not surp[rising really seeing as how it was the Tree of Knowledge which leaves Adam unknowledgeable before. So there was no sin of willful transgression.

.Adam "has BECOME like one of us",.
He did not know and could not have known what was good and what was evil before he ate the apple..He could not have known it was evil wrong sinful or whatever not to be able to carry out what was God's impossible order


In the Genesis allegory, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’” .

There is shown no cause, other than God's own willful deceit, for Adam to die. The Tree of Life was available, according to the Bible. So what is often attempted by apologists to be portrayed as a wise and loving God , is nothing more than a decietful disproportionately hateful,, cruel vicious and vengeful tyrant, who would blame the whole of humanity to come, for nothing more than Adam's unwitting, unwilled unknowing appetite for apples.



Genesis 2

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam had no knowledge, and God did not point out which was the Tree of Knowledge.
Adam did not die that day. God lied.
In the Bible God was deceitful to Adam and Eve, who were, unknowing, incapable and innocent characters.

The Bible is clear. God is the big bad wolf in all this and religious apologists have no choice but to "misunderstand as to what the Bible Teaches". in order to disguise that fact.
Red Riding Hood "Teaches" better. The nasty bad basatrd gets slain.

Quote from Aapex:

CHAPTER 4; OF CREATION

Paragraph 1. In the beginning it pleased God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,1 for the manifestation of the glory of His eternal power,2 wisdom, and goodness, to create or make the world, and all things therein, whether visible or invisible, in the space of six days, and all very good.3
1 John 1:2,3; Heb. 1:2; Job 26:13
2 Rom. 1:20
3 Col. 1:16; Gen. 1:31

Paragraph 2. After God had made all other creatures, He created man, male and female,4 with reasonable and immortal souls,5 rendering them fit unto that life to God for which they were created; being made after the image of God, in knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness;6 having the law of God written in their hearts,7 and power to fulfill it, and yet under a possibility of transgressing, being left to the liberty of their own will, which was subject to change.8
4 Gen. 1:27
5 Gen. 2:7
6 Eccles. 7:29; Gen. 1;26
7 Rom. 2:14,15
8 Gen. 3:6

Paragraph 3. Besides the law written in their hearts, they received a command not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil,9 which while they kept, they were happy in their communion with God, and had dominion over the creatures.10
9 Gen. 2:17
10 Gen. 1:26,28

Quote from Aapex:

CHAPTER 6; OF THE FALL OF MAN, OF SIN, AND OF THE PUNISHMENT THEREOF

Paragraph 1. Although God created man upright and perfect, and gave him a righteous law, which had been unto life had he kept it, and threatened death upon the breach thereof,1 yet he did not long abide in this honor; Satan using the subtlety of the serpent to subdue Eve, then by her seducing Adam, who, without any compulsion, did willfully transgress the law of their creation, and the command given to them, in eating the forbidden fruit,2 which God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.
1 Gen. 2:16,17
2 Gen. 3:12,13; 2 Cor. 11:3

Paragraph 2. Our first parents, by this sin, fell from their original righteousness and communion with God, and we in them whereby death came upon all:3 all becoming dead in sin,4 and wholly defiled in all the faculties and parts of soul and body.5
3 Rom. 3:23
4 Rom 5:12, etc.
5 Titus 1:15; Gen. 6:5; Jer. 17:9; Rom. 3:10-19

Paragraph 3. They being the root, and by God's appointment, standing in the room and stead of all mankind, the guilt of the sin was imputed, and corrupted nature conveyed, to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation,6 being now conceived in sin,7 and by nature children of wrath,8 the servants of sin, the subjects of death,9 and all other miseries, spiritual, temporal, and eternal, unless the Lord Jesus set them free.10
6 Rom. 5:12-19; 1 Cor. 15:21,22,45,49
7 Ps. 51:5; Job 14:4
8 Eph. 2:3
9 Rom. 6:20, 5:12
10 Heb. 2:14,15; 1 Thess. 1:10

Paragraph 4. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil,11 do proceed all actual transgressions.12
11 Rom. 8:7; Col. 1:21
12 James 1:14,15; Matt. 15:19

Paragraph 5. The corruption of nature, during this life, does remain in those that are regenerated;13 and although it be through Christ pardoned and mortified, yet both itself, and the first motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.14
13 Rom. 7:18,23; Eccles. 7:20; 1 John 1:8
14 Rom. 7:23-25; Gal. 5:17