Pyrokinesis - Qigong Master Boils Water With His Hands

Quote from Madison:

...However, I disagree about acupuncture, becuase its effectiveness is measured by the well-being of the patient. For some, it has at least a placebo effect, and if that makes people feel better then it "works." Also there is at least some logic to the argument that directly stimulating the nervous system through contact may produce some effects on the patient.
I disagree. If you are going to accept the placebo effect as a true measure of efficacy, then you open the door to every sugar pill and crazy idea that gives comfort. The placebo effect is a product of the mind rather than the result of the procedure in question. Acupuncture is an active placebo, with its protocol and such, and is therefore understandably a more convincing scam than a passive placebo such a sugar pill with no pomp or circumstance. But unless its effect is consistent across a double blind study, then it is not real. It is faith. And if faith gets you through an ordeal, then good for you. But call it what it is. Acupuncture does not meet the gold standard. If you choose to lower your standards, then that is your choice.

As for your refence to the "logic" of acupuncture, properly conducted studies do not support it. Therefore, either the scientific process that has served the modern world so well is flawed, or the "logic" you refer to is flawed.
 
Quote from Wallet:

The human body is an electromagnetic machine running up and down our nervous system, the body is surrounded by an electromagnetic aura that can be photographed.

Why is it so hard to imagine that one could learn to control and harness said electrical force?

The nervous system runs in paths, that can be stimulated in certain points that can revive a person or disable, promote healing as well as damage... fact not fiction.
Fine, then DO IT. Be sure to let us know in your next post when it happens.
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Science is not a blindfold. Science is a clear and true lens that does not distort. It is a filter that prevents your brain pipes from getting clogged with bullshit. Faith is a blindfold. Accepting the improbable at face without full and proper verification is naive.

Science never gets it wrong? Perhaps you'd like the opportunity to qualify this assertion?
 
The important thing is know the difference between science and faith.

From what I have read scientific dating is problematic and fundamentalist Christians have no support for the 6000 year old date.

The next step of intellect is to have a bias.

I suspect scientific dating has a better chance of being accurate than the 6000 year old number.

Why? Because I know the the 6000 year old number comes form a monk in the middle ages who speculated about the length of missing generations.
 
Quote from vindicator:

Science never gets it wrong? Perhaps you'd like the opportunity to qualify this assertion?
Whatever you may have to say about science, the alternative is less than pretty. In betting parlance, science is where the smart money is.
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Whatever you may have to say about science, the alternative is less than pretty. In betting parlance, science is where the smart money is.

granted, science is a good bet but does it always pay off/ p

intuition drives knowledge and success not perfunction :(
 
Quote from vindicator:

granted, science is a good bet but does it always pay off/ p

intuition drives knowledge and success not perfunction :(
Intuition, inspiration and imagination lead to discovery, which, when valid, is supported by science. It is no coincidence that charlatans thrive on the outskirts of science, bilking people by intuitively preying upon their fears and weaknesses. If only the victims of fraud were as wary of bullshit as they are of science...
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

... unless its effect is consistent across a double blind study, then it is not real. It is faith. And if faith gets you through an ordeal, then good for you.

That was partially my point. It may be faith, and given a problem where well-being of a patient is the solution, if faith achieves that well-being, then it is effective.

As to double-blind results, I agree generally, but I would add that much of medicine is not science but art and trial and error. Physics is repeatable with certainty; there are many effects and results of medicine that are not well understood and not amenable to precise prediction. The fact that the placebo effect exists alone is proof of that.

I am not claiming anything more for acupuncture, but I leave open the possibility that there are non-placebo effects not yet understood.
 
Well, some things, even made up crap, doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

How about Obe Wan Kenobi, letting Darth kill him, claiming he would become more powerful than something or other??
You would have thought, he could just come back immediately, kick vader's ass and use the force to take out the stormtroopers.
But nooooo......

He comes back as a ghost, who goes around giving new age rhetoric as advice?!?
Yeah, reeeal powerful Obe.

Epic fail.
 
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