Putting the pieces together... attention JHM! ;-)

[frenchfry]

Jack, I will take it a notch back and do some smaller steps first. At the moment I'm reviewing what you posted in the "Why TA doesn't work.." thread.

You uploaded this pattern image:

On the top you have price making three moves: Pt1-->Pt2-->Pt3-->FTT

On the bottom you have four volume moves: P1-->T1-->P2-->T2--P3 I will come back later to the question why I find references to four, three, five, nine, etc.

At the moment I'm interested in the circles below P2, T2 and P3. There is an "or" between the two circle pairs. P2 "or" ? T2 "or" ? P3 "or" ? Or what? Where does it lead to?

 

[frenchfry]

Is this the answer to my question about the "or"? ....

 

[river]

Jack, in another thread where several posters apparently did not want a substantive discussion on TA, you wrote:

Quote from jack hershey:

Think this way: 3 moves.... 3 moves.... 3 moves....oops one move.... 3 moves....3 moves....

the one move (quickie) comes and ends. Here it is: dom...nondom....dom....DOM...dom ....non dom....dom....

Look at the log and see that there was NO quickie. NO quickie MEANS more PATTERN. A quickie MEANS an FBO has happened.

This helps me understand “quickies” much better—thank you.



Would you mind explaining another comment you wrote in your response to my question?

Quote from jack hershey:
Wait until you discover bookmarks.

In the context of your answer, I interpreted “wait until you discover bookmarks” as bookmarks are a way to deal with cycles of trends that alternate in a slightly different manner than “The Pattern”. Is this interpretation correct? Did you mean something more than this?

-river

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from frenchfry:

Jack, I will take it a notch back and do some smaller steps first. At the moment I'm reviewing what you posted in the "Why TA doesn't work.." thread.

You uploaded this pattern image:

On the top you have price making three moves: Pt1-->Pt2-->Pt3-->FTT

On the bottom you have four volume moves: P1-->T1-->P2-->T2--P3 I will come back later to the question why I find references to four, three, five, nine, etc.

At the moment I'm interested in the circles below P2, T2 and P3. There is an "or" between the two circle pairs. P2 "or" ? T2 "or" ? P3 "or" ? Or what? Where does it lead to?

The vertical circles express ranges of possible values.

Move 1 for volume is P1>T1>P2
Move 2 for volume is P2> T2
Move 3 for volume is T2> P3.

The Pattern shows this. we also used a steam of events notation that emphasized sentiment and dominance.

The Hate To Risk chart shows where the trend ends with either quickies (FBO's) or goes full length to other moves of the trend.

I posted a lot (over 100 calls or results recently. Each of these can be classified. I did classify some of the days for the public.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from Duref Mudgins:

I as trying to lead him through a recognition of the context of the day he was analyzing, because it was evident that he had none. It was a narrow range day. ES was in a weak uptrend on the daily chart. ES was more or less tracking 6E. Volume was pitiful. At the time price as staggering lower erratically. Tomorrow was to be Fed day. So unless there was a miraculous strong breakout to the upside, it was just as well that he had his nose lost in his useless logging. Had he had the good sense to continue to respond to me I would have shared with him a flowchart on how to daytrade index futures. His loss. And my wasted time.

Every day is a very precise and fun experience.

we are going through exposing all of the information volume has to offer about the precision of trading to take the market's full offer all the time.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from frenchfry:

Is this the answer to my question about the "or"? ....

The work is a good job. It is somewhat abreviated however.

It appears to have a few Q's on the right. they are good Q's.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from river:

Jack, in another thread where several posters apparently did not want a substantive discussion on TA, you wrote:



This helps me understand “quickies” much better—thank you.



Would you mind explaining another comment you wrote in your response to my question?



In the context of your answer, I interpreted “wait until you discover bookmarks” as bookmarks are a way to deal with cycles of trends that alternate in a slightly different manner than “The Pattern”. Is this interpretation correct? Did you mean something more than this?

-river

the Pattern is very important and that is how the market works.

Think of computer design and APL design work.

A type of product that services a kind of need is the result.

Other phenomena also have happened.

Universes are neat and large. Living organisms are small and very joyful to behold.

here you may Miss out on a trick or two. It is fun to meet and chat with those who miss few tricks.

What I like about PEP and its apps is that they really take care of business.

Elsewhere, I defined TA as part of a whole. I am lucky that I have a complete system with which to work.

What I did mostly during my life was SA.

I do not find it unusual that markets operate in systems. Systems are complete entities. Thier representation takes some doing. I turn to Tofte and to neuroscience to try to communicate better to others.

A system is built using the best rules for system building available. You must dust off the building site and then sterilize it over and over.

I will never understand how the financial industry is so focused on getting away with things instead of "doing the work".

Markets, from my viewpoint, are a perfect operating system. So I entrained the pieces of the opportunity and made the market's representation into a finely tuned event piece. The swiss make time pieces. I made a complete event piece instead.

I sit in a workplace and I have tiers (a dozen binders tall and unliftable) of 3-ring binders side by side which are backed up in electronic files. One binder holds all my SQL tables (records).

I hve work surfaces for about 320 degrees and I walk out in the remaining space.

Thus I have at my fingertips what I have built as a set of systems of two partners: the market and me. I obey the market system which is uncoverd totally for me to observe.

I have suggested that most people have not nor will ever see the market.

The Swiss use the best materials and the best concepts to replicate the passage of time. the solar system is what they replicate in a manner that can be carried around. And now we all have cell phones which are reset periodically.

I get to watch two vertically oriented screens (18") to always know that I know. I use two systems: market and trading. I watch the future go through a sort of funnel where ahead of the Present the market pieces (events) drop out and form their Order Of Events. Price follows. So I take the full offer.

I'm sure I cannot draw the best picture or form the best symbols.

I guess I have my own language and I have a different emotion set. I do not have any mystery and my physiological system is being kept tuned up.

I like the "Temple Grandin Story", a movie and a book, because the "cow story" was found out by a likable gal and she had a goal of "happy cows". She made the environment of cattle safe and happy by her longtime and thorough devotion and will power with respect to little redneck types with big pickups.

How a complete market system transfers to me the whole nine yards is an amazing super experience.

There is this one glaring facet of making money oft talked about in ET. It causes all the fear, anxiety and anger.

When a person is trying to do something and he doesn't know what or how he is doing it; it just can't be an organized and reasonable effort he does. So he just keeps talking about it the same way over and over and he doesn't get any better at doing what he does. Then, in ET, he is replaced by his clone or his alias.

Fake names: fake posts.

I can't imagine these types. the bar for becoming a trader is in the subway.

Bookmarks I've done and I'll do them once again with a cut and paste from my book I am finishing (just mechanical work now).

 

[river]

Quote from jack hershey:

Bookmarks I've done and I'll do them once again with a cut and paste from my book I am finishing (just mechanical work now).

Great--I'm looking forward to your thoughts on bookmarks. (I sense that there is a lot more to bookmarks than the simple interpretation I noted above.) Will you make your book available, when finished, to those of us with a genuine interest? As I recall, you have mentioned several times previously that you were working on a suite of five books related to trading.

-river

 

[Vienna]

Hello Jack,

I certainly don't want to be a bother, but would love to run a couple of things by you (for which this forum might not be the right venue)...

here is my email again:

viennasfc@gmail.com

Thanks!

best,

Vienna

 

[Duref Mudgins]

Quote from jack hershey:

the Pattern is very important and that is how the market works.

Think of computer design and APL design work.

A type of product that services a kind of need is the result.

Other phenomena also have happened.

Universes are neat and large. Living organisms are small and very joyful to behold.

here you may Miss out on a trick or two. It is fun to meet and chat with those who miss few tricks.

What I like about PEP and its apps is that they really take care of business.

Elsewhere, I defined TA as part of a whole. I am lucky that I have a complete system with which to work.

What I did mostly during my life was SA.

I do not find it unusual that markets operate in systems. Systems are complete entities. Thier representation takes some doing. I turn to Tofte and to neuroscience to try to communicate better to others.

A system is built using the best rules for system building available. You must dust off the building site and then sterilize it over and over.

I will never understand how the financial industry is so focused on getting away with things instead of "doing the work".

Markets, from my viewpoint, are a perfect operating system. So I entrained the pieces of the opportunity and made the market's representation into a finely tuned event piece. The swiss make time pieces. I made a complete event piece instead.

I sit in a workplace and I have tiers (a dozen binders tall and unliftable) of 3-ring binders side by side which are backed up in electronic files. One binder holds all my SQL tables (records).

I hve work surfaces for about 320 degrees and I walk out in the remaining space.

Thus I have at my fingertips what I have built as a set of systems of two partners: the market and me. I obey the market system which is uncoverd totally for me to observe.

I have suggested that most people have not nor will ever see the market.

The Swiss use the best materials and the best concepts to replicate the passage of time. the solar system is what they replicate in a manner that can be carried around. And now we all have cell phones which are reset periodically.

I get to watch two vertically oriented screens (18") to always know that I know. I use two systems: market and trading. I watch the future go through a sort of funnel where ahead of the Present the market pieces (events) drop out and form their Order Of Events. Price follows. So I take the full offer.

I'm sure I cannot draw the best picture or form the best symbols.

I guess I have my own language and I have a different emotion set. I do not have any mystery and my physiological system is being kept tuned up.

I like the "Temple Grandin Story", a movie and a book, because the "cow story" was found out by a likable gal and she had a goal of "happy cows". She made the environment of cattle safe and happy by her longtime and thorough devotion and will power with respect to little redneck types with big pickups.

How a complete market system transfers to me the whole nine yards is an amazing super experience.

There is this one glaring facet of making money oft talked about in ET. It causes all the fear, anxiety and anger.

When a person is trying to do something and he doesn't know what or how he is doing it; it just can't be an organized and reasonable effort he does. So he just keeps talking about it the same way over and over and he doesn't get any better at doing what he does. Then, in ET, he is replaced by his clone or his alias.

Fake names: fake posts.

I can't imagine these types. the bar for becoming a trader is in the subway.

Bookmarks I've done and I'll do them once again with a cut and paste from my book I am finishing (just mechanical work now).

An oblique market underlies extraordinary empathy.

I find too many places to note.

Here after there you can hear marvelous colors.

Tomorrow was absolutely boring.

Everywhere I smelled volume coloring.

For far away hopes you will never recover.

Past price flavors Monday's commitment.

I am writing a new sculpture of hidden voices.

Posthumous events before your conception constrain your profits.

Needless heeding prefigures mortality.

A succinct paranoia can sometimes be amusing.

Heterogeneous obstacles need not be daunting.

Why do markets no longer manifest arthritic camouflage?

You would be well advised to consider homeostatic conformities.