Put these charts on your wall for reference the next time you think… Something is “oversold”

If your profits from previous days are reinvested and you end up making profits going forward than yea, that would be compounding. However, you have 2 take into account trading costs which in day trading can be significant, your also faced with having to always buy in at higher prices for longs in a bull or at lower prices for shorts in a bear market which makes it harder when you have to get re-positioned into a new winner every day.

As a swing trader: When I have compounding I have a static cost basis, I also get the benefits of overnight gaps in my trade direction which can add considerable profits over the weeks/months. Compounding has a way of working a lot better when left alone letting a profit in motion continue to churn more profits.

When I day traded for a living (6 years, mid - late 90's) my trading costs were as much as $45k. On wining years it was transparent - on flat or losing years it was tragic - you don't get any compounding until you first overcome the trading costs. Investors benefit the most from compounding - us more active traders are typically well outgunned by this crown in a raging bull market.
Just like you I swing trade and don't day trade so I am on your side, but I think your logic against compounding with day trading is a little weak. Unless a day trader keeps taking money out, and assuming he is net positive, his compounding is as valid as ours.

The high cost of day trading on the other hand is valid because of large accumulation of commissions with a large number of trades.

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If your profits from previous days are reinvested and you end up making profits going forward than yea, that would be compounding. However, you have 2 take into account trading costs which in day trading can be significant, your also faced with having to always buy in at higher prices for longs in a bull or at lower prices for shorts in a bear market which makes it harder when you have to get re-positioned into a new winner every day.

As a swing trader: When I have compounding I have a static cost basis, I also get the benefits of overnight gaps in my trade direction which can add considerable profits over the weeks/months. Compounding has a way of working a lot better when left alone letting a profit in motion continue to churn more profits.

When I day traded for a living (6 years, mid - late 90's) my trading costs were as much as $45k. On wining years it was transparent - on flat or losing years it was tragic - you don't get any compounding until you first overcome the trading costs. Investors benefit the most from compounding - us more active traders are typically well outgunned by this crown in a raging bull market.

I agree. The commissions I paid last year were astronomical. Kind of shocking when you realize it.
 
I found this in that yellow book called 'Day Trading For Dummies'. I guess my argument about day trading was a bit off kilter. A day trader that is profitable that reinvests their profits is compounding after you take into account the round trip trading costs. Nothing against day trading - I think day trading is great in the right hands, I put on some intra-day or night trades here & there although mostly I swing trade. Just that so many novices latch onto it by default and have widly unrealistic expectations. Investors double their $ every 10 years going long on the S&P500 based on long term averages - they are getting the full impact of compounding.

Compounding interest

Compound interest is a simple concept: Every time you get a return, that return goes into your account. You keep earning a return on it, which increases your account size some more. You keep earning a return on your return, and pretty soon, the numbers get to be pretty big.


In order to benefit from that compounding, many traders add their profits back into their accounts and keep trading them, in order to build account size. Although day traders earn little to no interest, the basic principle holds: By returning profits to the trading account to generate even more profits, the account should grow over time.


This practice of keeping profits in the account to trade makes a lot of sense for smaller traders who want to build their accounts and take more significant positions over t
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Short term trading whether days...a few weeks...or a day..an hour..or minutes has the potential to compound profits that longterm trading (months) cannot. Every PB is an opportunity for compounding. Hurst discusses these concepts.

Compounding is the reinvestment of earnings over time. You do not get any compounding from day trading - that it just absurd. With compounding you need a fixed cost basis and a rising price over a period of days to decades.

And your claim of Livermore as a day trader when he made his fortune are wrong. Jesse Livermore's own biographies clearly spell out his disgust of day trading, and how the millions came in when was sitting for months at a time. Nothing against day trading personally, I put on a intra-night trade here & there, although I am mostly swing. Seems like only a rare few make it day trading - did it for 6 years full time. In a bull market the real winners are the investors.

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We must consider the context of those statements. I am convinced those statements were a reference to his attempt at daytrading in the brokerage houses. He could not successfully daytrade them because of lagging prices quotes and along with perhaps other reasons. But he COULD daytrade the bucket shops and often had to resort to going back to the bucket shops to get a stake up to learn how to trend trade in the brokerage houses.

I believe if he were alive today, in todays world of fast electronic quotes, he would be daytrading and not trend trading. Or he may would do both. His first passion was daytrading in the bucket shops. He knew that game well and could beat it over and over and over again. If they would not have learn't him and kicked him out, refusing to do business with him, he probally would have never gone the route of the brokerages and longer term trading.
 
This notion that Livermore the trend trader would convert to day trading if he was alive today makes no sense - he was clearly outspoken against short term trading, he berates it over and over again - calling it a fools game over and over. He speaks of the hundreds he used to make on quick trades became millions when he learned to sit and let his winners run, that is the lesson of Livermore.
Livrmore would buy leadership stocks that rose above $100 saying they often go to $200, than $300, etc. - that is trend trading.

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This notion that Livermore the trend trader would convert to day trading if he was alive today makes no sense - he was clearly outspoken against short term trading, he berates it over and over again - calling it a fools game over and over. He speaks of the hundreds he used to make on quick trades became millions when he learned to sit and let his winners run, that is the lesson of Livermore.
Livrmore would buy leadership stocks that rose above $100 saying they often go to $200, than $300, etc. - that is trend trading.

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Again context. In such statements he was referring to daytrading via regular brokerage firms of the day (imo). He was not successful doing so. He was greatly successful short term daytrading in the bucket shops. He would be a wiz at it in todays markets. He could not make it work in the normal brokerage world of his day so obviousley he was against short term daytrading in the the brokerage environment of his day hence he was quite vocal about. BUT put him in a bucket shop...ANY BUCKET shop and he would daytrade the snot out of them and make them wish that he had not frequented their establishment.

Todays electronic quotes and speed of trading would suit well to his bucket shop strategies hence i say he would be a daytrader "par excellence" in todays world.
 
And two of the best traders on ET arguing over whether a man that died a long time ago would day trade today? I don't understand why that is so important.
 
Livermore, I can't get enough of him, fascinating guy, imo
Agree. I still wonder if he'd be as successful in the modern day. Some of the big guys who are still alive today all say most of their money was made back when the market trended better. They say these days, it trends smaller, and less frequently.
 
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