Protection From Gun Violence

Humpy · Dec 17, 2012

Quote from oldtime:

It was to address your opinion that sophisticated weapons would win over more common weapons. The Afghans figured out how to shoot down a Soviet helicopter with nothing more than an automatic rifle by getting up on a mountain and shooting down on it. .

The bow and arrow gave way to more efficient at killing weapons like guns - so that argument is false. Wars didn't stop, they became more bloody.

Most Soviet helicopters were shot down by US given stinger missiles not by men on mountain tops.

In a Sovietski type of society angry young men would be in the secret police I expect.

In France they might be painting on the " Left Bank ". A bohemium area, raging over art, literature, philosophy etc.

So IT IS partly down to local culture or lack of it. Cowboy culture produces gunmen !!

oldtime · Dec 17, 2012

like I said man, if you want to stop gun violence, just do it like they do in Mexico where it is illegal for anyone to possess a firearm.

there, are you finally happy now?

BSAM · Dec 17, 2012

Anybody is naive who thinks that the US government won't take military action against the people.
When Obama comes out and says to give up certain ammo and weapons, you will submit or else.

oldtime · Dec 17, 2012

Quote from BSAM:

Anybody is naive who thinks that the US government won't take military action against the people.
When Obama comes out and says to give up certain ammo and weapons, you will submit or else.

so how's that drug war working out?

didn't they say we are supposed to give up our drugs? Submit or go to jail.

Haven't checked in a while

who is winning?

PHOENIX TRADING · Dec 17, 2012

Quote from oldtime:

so how's that drug war working out?

didn't they say we are supposed to give up our drugs? Submit or go to jail.

Haven't checked in a while

who is winning?

govt is winning and we the citizens are losing ( as collateral damage to our freedoms ), of course that hasn't stopped nor will it ever stop drug use.

But you see the drug war isn't about stopping drugs it's about expanding
the power (money )of govt (fed state and local).

BSAM · Dec 17, 2012

Quote from oldtime:

so how's that drug war working out?

didn't they say we are supposed to give up our drugs? Submit or go to jail.

Haven't checked in a while

who is winning?

You're not reading the charts, brother Old.
You're not reading the charts.

ktm · Dec 17, 2012

Quote from Grandluxe:

December 16th, 2012
04:30 AM ET
Man stands in mall parking lot, fires 50 shots in the air
A man stood in the parking lot of a shopping mall in Southern California on Saturday and fired 50 shots into the air.

Police didnât say why, but his actions prompted many stores in the open-air Fashion Island mall in Newport Beach to lock their doors.

No one was hurt by the bullets raining down, but one person suffered minor injuries while trying to flee the area, police said.

Newport Beach Police quickly took the man, 42-year-old Marcos Sarinana Gurrola, into custody, but not before calling in the bomb squad when the man said he had more ammunition in the trunk of his car.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/1...king-lot-fires-50-shots-in-the-air/?hpt=hp_t3

Crazy.......

This is so racist. Why can't a middle eastern guy celebrate his kid's birthday in the traditional manner without a visit from the police?

BSAM · Dec 17, 2012

Quote from ktm:

This is so racist. Why can't a middle eastern guy celebrate his kid's birthday in the traditional manner without a visit from the police?

Cause bullets are more exciting to some people than cake and ice cream.

377OHMS · Dec 17, 2012

Quote from BSAM:

Anybody is naive who thinks that the US government won't take military action against the people.
When Obama comes out and says to give up certain ammo and weapons, you will submit or else.

There are a lot of burglaries around here, things go missing. (shrug)

piezoe · Dec 17, 2012

Quote from tomdavis:

Last year there were about 10,000 gun murders in the US. About 60% of those involved criminal-on-criminal death (i.e., were gang or drug related), or were law enforcement shootings. Of the remaining 4,000 non-suicide gun deaths, about half the victims were shot by strangers. That means that approximately 2,000 law-abiding people were shot and killed by strangers.

About 10,000 people are killed by drunk drivers each year. In other words, if you're not involved in criminal activity, and you don't belong to a gang and you're not involved with illegal drugs, then you're 5 times as likely to be killed by a drunk driver as you are to be killed by a stranger with a gun.

Useful statistics, thanks. I'm OK with the second amendment, uniform enforcement of waiting periods and background checks, and voluntary gun registration which could help recover a stolen gun. But I'm not OK with exchanging so few as a dozen deaths for the right to own semi-automatic or automatic weapons. I don't see the second amendment requiring that we have the right to own these particular weapons any more than we should have the right to own a hydrogen bomb. They are not needed for self defense, and they are not needed for sport, and they are not needed as a defense against government tyranny.

I want to see the NRA come up with something constructive and realistic. So far all I'm hearing is "everyone should be armed" then there would be less crime. Even if that were true, or is true, do you want to live in a country where you have to be saddled with the burden of carrying a gun everywhere? Think of the unintended consequences. I don't like the message that sends to our children either. I want freedom from guns just as much as I want freedom to own a gun and use it.

I'm a little weary of Mr. Winchester's and Mr. Remington's votes counting more than mine.