Protecting a DITM call spread

long CS = short synth PS... that's a fact... no underlyings needed... Same payoff, same greeks...

long 2200/2260 CS = short 2200/2260 PS (fact)

long 2200/2260 CS + long 2230/2260 PS = short 2200/2230 PS, since
short 2200/2260 PS + long2230/2260 PS = short 2200/2230 PS

So there is your dangling PS... you just don't want to see it... and I honestly think you need glasses and a calculator for that....


Jack, my apologies!

I ran the combos but obv it does reduce further. I saw both a put and call vert but inverted one of the signs, and at one point mixed the 30/60 natural with a synthetic.

Moral... look for (same sign) put and call vert pairs to reduce to a single synthetic vertical (exposure). And Dest is an a$$hole.

Mea Culpa.
 
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eS future at 62 when I was looking at this... 2200 put at 1.40 or so, indeed... you're correct, 2200 call at 63.40.. my bad... I'm 60 cents off
so, 60 call at 11, and that 2320 call at 20 cents, do I really need to sum it up for you?

63.40- 2x11 +.20 is 41.60

I don't care about quotes for ITM calls... you should know the value from the put

EDIT... we started this discussion yesterday, look at @xandman 's posting of prices in one of his earlier posts....


Here. You were quoting the EOM fly when I was quoting the Feb1. It settled at 35.15 (implied by the iron fly credit of 24.85 mid).

So 41.6 less the 35 settle. You implied it dropped 6-7 on "gamma" assuming today's settle at 35.15.
 
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long CS = short synth PS... that's a fact... no underlyings needed... Same payoff, same greeks...

long 2200/2260 CS = short 2200/2260 PS (fact)

long 2200/2260 CS + long 2230/2260 PS = short 2200/2230 PS, since
short 2200/2260 PS + long2230/2260 PS = short 2200/2230 PS

So there is your dangling PS... you just don't want to see it... and I honestly think you need glasses and a calculator for that....

Just curious about " long 2200/2260 CS = short 2200/2260 PS (fact) ", when two spreads are traded separately :

Do they have same margin requirement? Probably not!
Do they have same pin risk profile? Probably not!
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Hey, we're starting again...

I don't know about the margin, probably you are right that they are different. But I was talking about risk profiles.
Pin risk isn't of the highest concern... and that's manageable, though not perfectly. But if there's a 50/50 chance you will be assigned, you hedge accordingly on close. And therefore IMO short ATM put is the same as short ATM call in terms of pin riks.
 
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