Prosecutors Move For Mistrial As Jury Has Been Tainted By Clear Video Evidence Of Kyle Rittenhouse

[Frederick Foresight]

It is dicey here.... guy illegally crossed state lines with a a firearm and went into a violent situation. So before we get into anything he is guilty of a felony. You dont get to use a secondary act to justify a felony beforehand.

Second, he puts himself into a very dangerous situation carrying a large weapon. There is no evidence of what he did prior to being chased down or the guy swinging a skateboard at him. Why not? Those people are dead. So was he innocently standing around and get surrounded by people and fired to save his life? Cannot tell because the 2 guys are dead and we only have a video of him shooting the weapon.

His claims are conjecture, we don't believe what he says simply because he says it....then no one would ever go to jail.

he question is do you get to plead self defense in a situation you entered into illegally while commiting a felony and create a dangerous situation and then claim self defense when you kill 2 people....

Not as clear cut as you want to make it seem...since police and DAs don't want private citizens entering dangerous situations with guns and killing people and claiming self defense, this case sets a good or bad precedent.

Imagine I see a bunch of trumpets with red hats marching down town towards the capitol and claiming they will overthrow the government. I jump in front of them with an illegally carried firearm and pull my weapon and tell them to stand down. they run at me and throw shit at me so I gun them down..... is that what you want to be ok?

Exactly. He went there loaded for bear, looking to "defend himself." Pfft.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Frigging Soros buses were/are bringing people in to lots of cities by the thousands to riot month after month and the lefties are butthurt over the idea that some people in opposition to them might also show up.

Yeh, that's a sad story right there.

Oh, I see. But all the looters, burners, and killers who show on the left are peaceful protesters. Versus Rit who merely defended himself and now his lawyer and the judge are doing the nasty, ie. referring to the constitution at various times.

 

[Snarkhund]

Y'all will see here in this post and elsewhere a sudden interest in firearm violations. There is a reason for that? giggle. Other charges not lookin so good.

And while we are on the topic, as I asked yesterday how we lookin on a firearm charge against the guy who Rit shot- the one who lived. He tried to kill Rit with a handgun he had been carrying concealed- no permit. Keep me posted on how that case is coming along. OR NOT.

Weapons charges and a curfew violation seem absurd in this context.

I saw clear self-defense in the latter portion of the events. I've never handled or fired an AR-15 but I have fired thousands of rounds from M-16s of .223 FMJ in semi so I think I can claim some familiarity with the weapon. I'll tell you right now that his decision to employ a sling saved his life.

Grabbing a slung rifle has been killing Darwin Award candidates since Napoleon.

I'm relying on testimony regarding the shooting of Rosenbaum. I think its relevant that Rosenbaum had just been released from the mental health wing of a local hospital. He made death threats heard by many. He was clearly unstable. He lunged at Kyle and grabbed the barrel of the his rifle. That is the very definition of self-defense.

The idiotic comments from people like Lebron James make it pretty clear that this kid is facing what amounts to cultural charges. He could end up a political prisoner.

What is more likely is that he will be acquitted and the leftists will burn and loot some more businesses basically emphasizing the correctness of the verdict.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Frigging Soros buses were/are bringing people in to lots of cities by the thousands to riot month after month and the lefties are butthurt over the idea that some people in opposition to them might also show up.

Yeh, that's a sad story right there.

Oh, I see. But all the looters, burners, and killers who show on the left are peaceful protesters. Versus Rit who merely defended himself and now his lawyer and the judge are doing the nasty, ie. referring to the constitution at various times.

Say hi to Mr. Putin for us.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Weapons charges and a curfew violation seem absurd in this context.

I saw clear self-defense in the latter portion of the events. I've never handled or fired an AR-15 but I have fired thousands of rounds from M-16s of .223 FMJ in semi so I think I can claim some familiarity with the weapon. I'll tell you right now that his decision to employ a sling saved his life.

I'm relying on testimony regarding the shooting of Rosenbaum. I think its relevant that Rosenbaum had just been released from the mental health wing of a local hospital. He made death threats heard by many. He was clearly unstable. He lunged at Kyle and grabbed the barrel of the his rifle. That is the very definition of self-defense.

The idiotic comments from people like Lebron James make it pretty clear that this kid is facing what amounts to cultural charges. He could end up a political prisoner.

What is more likely is that he will be acquitted and the leftists will burn and loot some more businesses basically emphasizing the correctness of the verdict.

At some point, possibly today, I dunno, I dunno, am not watching it during these hours, the parties and the judge will have to agree upon or haggle out the instructions to the jury. At the same time, watch for the prosecution to try to get the judge to allow a lesser charges. For example, I think they have a first degree reckless homicide charge there along with the other two higher level homicide charges (which are dead in the water at this point). So they might take the lowest homicide chare- ie. first degree reckless homicide- and also try to enter a charge of second degree reckless homicide. The judge would probably allow it too. His criteria would be whether the same evidence and arguments presented were also sufficient for the charge.

Fine, let em have their fun. It does not look good for any type of homicide charge -intentional or reckless- so go for it. Get it over with. The judge is not going to be dismissing any of the charges either. He has nothing to gain from it but the ire of the community and the jury is undoubtedly seeing what he saw PLUS he can still dismiss with a directe verdict even after a jury conviction if he finds it to be unconstitutional or unconscionable base on the evidence of lack thereof, and the defense as a pantload of appealable appealable issues - a veritable smorgasbord to choose from.

But yeh, we all know that the goal now is to find some kind of participation trophy for the prosecution and the jury too will want to be able - if they don't vomit trying- ding Ritten on some minor charge just to show that they are not just potted plants. Under no circumstances though should Rit do any jail or prison time on anything. Not to forget too, that even though he is the devil incarnate to the left, he was just a minor with no record and is entitled to consideration on that in sentencing on anything. They are not giving prison time on minor gun violations charges to minors down at the courthouse there unless it is a retribution thing. Plus the same judge is the one who would be doing the sentencing and sees the prosecution's gig in full.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Say hi to Mr. Putin for us.

I see.

You are channeling Hillary Clinton today.

Hopefully we will not be seeing any pee-pee tapes with her in them. Although every day seems to link her and her campaign closer to the russians. Trump? Not so much.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Y'all will see here in this post and elsewhere a sudden interest in firearm violations. There is a reason for that? giggle. Other charges not lookin so good.

And while we are on the topic, as I asked yesterday how we lookin on a firearm charge against the guy who Rit shot- the one who lived. He tried to kill Rit with a handgun he had been carrying concealed- no permit. Keep me posted on how that case is coming along. OR NOT.

if he carried a firearm under 18 years old across state lines he still committed that felony... not sure why it is interpreted as sudden interest when this crime was reported on since the beginning of this event....

 

[El OchoCinco]

Frigging Soros buses were/are bringing people in to lots of cities by the thousands to riot month after month and the lefties are butthurt over the idea that some people in opposition to them might also show up.

Yeh, that's a sad story right there.

Oh, I see. But all the looters, burners, and killers who show on the left are peaceful protesters. Versus Rit who merely defended himself and now his lawyer and the judge are doing the nasty, ie. referring to the constitution at various times.

the looters and protestors are the responsibility of the police department to handle, not underage kids carrying weapons across state lines to jump in the middle...

Rit was not defending his home or property from intruders.... he went to another state to get in the middle of something police are supposed to handle.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

the looters and protestors are the responsibility of the police department to handle, not underage kids carrying weapons across state lines to jump in the middle...

Rit was not defending his home or property from intruders.... he went to another state to get in the middle of something police are supposed to handle.

"Rit was not defending his home or property from intruders...."

CORRECT. HE WAS DEFENDING HIS LIFE WHICH JUSTIFIED USE OF LETHAL FORCE.

"he went to another state to get in the middle of something police are supposed to handle."

HE WENT TO A COMMUNITY WHERE HE CLEARLY HAD CONNECTIONS- INCLUDING THE FACT THAT HIS FATHER LIVED THERE. UNLIKE THE LEFTIES, HE DID NOT JUST GET ON THE BUS TAKING THEM TO THE NEAREST RIOT. AND IT IS NOT A CRIME FOR THE CITIZENRY TO RISE TO HELP WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECURITY WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FORCES ARE STANDING DOWN OR OVERWHELMED.

YOU ARE PARROTING THE WORDS OF THE PROSECUTION IE. "ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THE POLICE AND FIRE ARE SUPPOSED TO HANDLE." SURE, EXCEPT MAJOR PARTS OF THE TOWN HAD JUST BEEN BURNED AND LOOTED CONFIRMING THAT THE CITIZENRY NEEDED TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES OR COLLABORATE WITH OTHERS. TOTALLY LEGAL AND DESIREABLE.

 

[El OchoCinco]

"Rit was not defending his home or property from intruders...."

CORRECT. HE WAS DEFENDING HIS LIFE WHICH JUSTIFIED USE OF LETHAL FORCE.

"he went to another state to get in the middle of something police are supposed to handle."

HE WENT TO A COMMUNITY WHERE HE CLEARLY HAD CONNECTIONS- INCLUDING THE FACT THAT HIS FATHER LIVED THERE. UNLIKE THE LEFTIES, HE DID NOT JUST GET ON THE BUS TAKING THEM TO THE NEAREST RIOT. AND IT IS NOT A CRIME FOR THE CITIZENRY TO RISE TO HELP WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECURITY WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FORCES ARE STANDING DOWN OR OVERWHELMED.

YOU ARE PARROTING THE WORDS OF THE PROSECUTION IE. "ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THE POLICE AND FIRE ARE SUPPOSED TO HANDLE." SURE, EXCEPT MAJOR PARTS OF THE TOWN HAD JUST BEEN BURNED AND LOOTED CONFIRMING THAT THE CITIZENRY NEEDED TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES OR COLLABORATE WITH OTHERS. TOTALLY LEGAL AND DESIREABLE.

why the fuck you yelling....

the law does not support under age people carrying firearms and going into situations armed to take on street justice. There is no way he can go in with a live weapon and not confront people and something bad was not going to happen. it is reasonable to infer that his weapon would be discharged.

If self defense can be used by defense to mitigate the charges associated with murder then it is a perfectly legal argument to make. But he does not got off scott free from pulling a Charles Bronson.