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Quote from SteveNYC:

You just went Jack Hershey on me.

I never said that an Ivy grad would have the mentality and attitude for trading.

You're correct, you didn't, and this post you're quoting didn't say you did either. I'm not sure why you posted this. Was it just a reading comprehension error? What you were doing in your previous post was making an assumption without any conclusive information and stating it as fact. What I was trying to ask is, is this how a typical Ivy League thought process works?

Or was your statement, "Your mentality and attitude is not ready for trading" just carelessly worded?
 
Quote from SteveNYC:

There is hope for you. You caught on early. Impressive.

I think I figured out why J. Hershey writes the way he writes.

He is trying to compensate for something at the expense of the reader.

Not cool.

Perhaps, I just try to make better use of my time. I don't think it's in my best interest to spend a lot of time reading technical information from someone who has very mixed respect. He's definitely quite the character.
 
Quote from kmgilroy89:

the notable exception to this is any post by Jack Hershey. Perhaps he has the 200 IQ and that's why I don't understand him.

Comment received offlist, from a trader who used to maintain a widely-read journal on ET -- "Jack may be an elaborate hoax."
 
Quote from newwurldmn:

No. And there is a big divide between blind faith and mathematical principles. And clearly using math (unless your brain is faster than a computer) requires effective programming.

You don't really understand the industry you want to enter and there is a plethora of knowledge out there on the internet and in pretty easy to read and interesting books. You need to do this research so you know what are getting into and what you can do.

My advice (and I promise I close this forever after this) is to continue with your coursework at Fairfield. Learn more about trading. Get involved in their trading floor program. Read all the books you can find on trading (the culture, stories, and technical). Open a brokerage account and start trading yourself. Learn programming and develop some algos (even if they don't work, its okay). Talk to other traders via this website, etc. And in 2 years with a masters degree, a strong knowledge of the industry, some personal experience and a clear demonstrated desire for the industry reapply.

Btw - firms like susq and jane street and the banks take recruiting seriously. often you only get one shot to impress them and then you go into their "never speak to again database"

Thanks, this looks like really good advice.
 
Quote from kmgilroy89:

You're correct, you didn't, and this post you're quoting didn't say you did either. I'm not sure why you posted this. Was it just a reading comprehension error? What you were doing in your previous post was making an assumption without any conclusive information and stating it as fact. What I was trying to ask is, is this how a typical Ivy League thought process works?

Or was your statement, "Your mentality and attitude is not ready for trading" just carelessly worded?



No. No logical error. No lack of reading comprehension.

Ivy brain works like the engine of a Bugatti Veyron.

I sound ridiculous. haha.. a nut job, if you will.
 
Quote from SteveNYC:

No. No logical error. No lack of reading comprehension.

Ivy brain works like the engine of a Bugatti Veyron.

I sound ridiculous. haha.. a nut job, if you will.

Can't argue with this post, because it's too intellectually complex for me to understand. From now on I will accept that I am a state school simpleton who must bow down to the Ivy League elites. Maybe one day one will even let me wipe their ass for them.
 
I love this thread....as someone who is also looking to getting into trading this has really opened my eyes to what I don't know. Thanks!
 
Coming in a bit late here.

First, there is nothing wrong with somebody who wants to get 'the best deal'. That is what we're all out to get in the end. So they tell you that the 'best deal' is not as attainable as you thought it was - no harm done. It's idiots who are afraid to ask that don't get the best deal. It's the inefficient who don't bother to ask for other people's advice and instead waste time finding answers they could have otherwise easily had. Whom would you rather hire?

Second, the very idea that people who went Ivy are in some way special is, putting it mildly, not all its made out to be. I went to an Ivy school for undergrad and then did my grad at a state school. I honestly would hire from the state school over Ivy any day, because while you may get some slackers at a state school who can't put up the grades, they are really easy to weed out, while they have kids who work their tail off because they can't afford an Ivy education or don't have the connections like a rich alum daddy to get them in. The Ivy kids meanwhile are going to be more demanding and spoiled. I've seen this happen again and again.

Sure, Ivy is higher barriers to entry, but that doesn't mean that a) if you got in, you are definitely better than those who didn't get in, and b) if you didn't get in, that you are going to be worse than those who got in.

The problem with hiring is that the Ivy schools built up a feeder mechanism for banks and hedge funds, and if they hire outside of that feeder mechanism they get slapped around. It's a case of oligopolistic collusion, to build a protective moat around a portfolio of brands. It's also something they showcase to clients who's money you may be managing: "We've got Bill here, Harvard MBA". It doesn't matter that Bill, despite his hardcore knowledge of econometrics, gets his butt handed to him trading the crop report while trader Joe who barely finished college just tripled his account doing the same.

Lastly, I think the best idea is to trade your own capital and learn progressively using an approach that fits your personality.

I spoke to a number of people who have traded at prop firms. In the end they really don't teach you all that much. They give you some ideas to start you off, and then you are really on your own most of the time. If you screw up enough times they just kick you out and you are done. Have fun in that case applying to another firm, "I had a great trading experience at XYZ firm, unfortunately management and I didn't agree on my risk management philosophy..."

There are no real secrets out there, everything you need to know about trading strategies can be found on the internet and on forums like this one. You can keep blogs and get feedback from people online, form groups with other traders based on strategy and asset class, etc. Take maximal advantage of what you can have for free before paying. I own maybe 4 trading books, that is all I need.

The one thing you can't replicate is the experience of screen time, and finding your trading personality. That's just like training for a marathon: you gotta do those laps, regularly, consistently. You have to watch yourself screw up and fall on your face repeatedly. Once you accept that and start doing it, you will be alright and you'll be doing this not because you expect to have seven figures by the end of the year, but because you can't think of doing anything else. As long as you learn from your mistakes and are doing this consciously on a regular basis, that is all you need to do.

If you need instant cash flow get a part time job, start a small business with someone, etc. Its actually a good thing too, you get another task that freshens your mind and gives you some social interaction.
 
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