Proof that scalpers can make money

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guy titles post....scalpers make money!
same guy same thread same post

same guy posts a weekly chart!!!

You are TOO DUMB to understand my analogy about trading skills that one should posses to capture profits in this market. I doubt you can make any money in trading.

Another TRADERKING nick just showed up on ET... LOL

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Anyone who says they scalp with a less than 90% win rate everyday will have a very tough time making consistent money. 94.6 % prints money but even that consistently day in day out can still lose at times depending on size because there are so many different ways to get at a win rate.

win rate metrics while important are extremely misleading and even more importantly is the win rate on a flat to flat total trade basis or per lot? and is a trade that breaks even a loss or gain. This metric is fun but also misleads masses.
per lot with fees
1 6 loss
1 10 gain
1 10 gain
1 20 gain
1 10 gain
1 5 gain
1 10 gain
1 5 gain
1 5 gain
1 5 gain
1 5 gain
total = 11 lots. 10 wins 1 loss
win loss ratio is 11:1 or 91%
the gain is 85 the loss is 6. net gain
is 79 on 11 contracts.

what if this was ratio per trade not per lot flat to flat! so every 2 lots is 1 flat trade set

we have 5.5 trade sets or units.

we have a 100% win rate flat to flat.

You tell me or show me how a win rate tells yoi anything.

Lets say the next 1 lot trade completes the 6th unit and lets say it loses 79 dollars with fees.

1 79 dollar loss so look:

12 lots 6 trade units of 2 lots each and a win loss per lot of 12:2 or 6:1 or 83.3% winners yet
the account made zero for the day.

you had 6 trade units with 100% win rate and 12 traded lots with 83.3% win rate.

The win rate is over rated for any type of actual profitability forecasting but it can be used as a quick way to see if your system is out of whack or if the mkt has changed and if you are the constant (rare) then you can say whoa per lot i am 70% today and normally im 90% what happened during those 20% higher loss rate today? was it slippage what was it that i can pinpoint as a valid proof of what happened in my account today and this is just scratching the surface.

For fun post some better metrics off my examples. lets see what comes out as the best metric? fees are total 50 cents in 50 cents out or 1 dollar round turn.

we gave 2 days worth of trades

day 1. 11 lots 5.5 trade sets.
10 wins 1 loss plus 79 net

day 2. 12 lots 6 trade sets
10 wins 2 losses

what metrics are better? fees all in are 1 dollar RT.
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Just a couple of comments related to the past dozen posts or so.
Regarding the time-in-trade: 10-15 minutes.
I have to say this is a bit long for a scalp trade...for ES or NQ for instance. Many of mine have been less than 3 minutes.
HOWEVER, it all depends on the market price action and activity level. I measure the latter by Ticks Per Second which I find invaluable. If that measure is low, your scalp trade is probably going to take longer to work out.

As far as analyzing multiple time-frames ? Well, looking at weekly charts seems a bit strange when your time-in-trade is less than an hour. HOWEVER, that might be helpful to develop a context for the market....trending up, down, or sideways.
For scalping, I think one must get into analyzing the microstructure of the market. This includes evaluating Inside BidSize, Inside AskSize, what trade volume is going off at the Inside Bid vs. Inside Ask, etc.
I've never been a big fan of Level 2 analysis (jigsawtrading) simply because of the extreme volatility of the orders beyond the inside bid/ask. In fact, it's been amazing to me to see how even the inside bid / ask order size changes so rapidly. Truly the algos are pulling/cancelling even these orders at a ferocious pace...thus, producing many "headfakes". I know the CFTC is monitoring the spoofing especially in the CME markets, but that doesn't really apply to the inside orders.
Hope this clarifies some issues here.
 
It varies since my entry and exit techniques are ruled based. Average duration is around 10 to 15 mins.

Entry rules must be obeyed.

Exit rules can be flexible because there will be times price moves way beyond intended profit target before exit rules get triggered. In such cases, I'm more than happy to book profits in early.

Stop loss rules must be obeyed. As soon as entry rules are violated, even after few minutes of holding a trade, I dumped that trade right away.
So it's been said already but holding 10 to 15 minutes is NOT scalping.
 
oo many naysayers here claimed and laughed that it's impossible to day trading,
yes

pure bullshit...

i have always known it is possible to make money and now i know there is logic to movements.

i can teach a 10 year old child how to day trade in 5 min and he will not lose money.......in the long run.

with experience he can improve his results greatly
 
if someone is holding for 5 years then 10 min is definitely scalping
there is no fixed definition of scalping.
Someone else's long term hold period trade has nothing to do with the definition of short-term intraday trading.
They don't correlate.

Let's take a stab at this:
1) HFT (high freq. trading) : Seconds
2) Scalping: minutes (up to 5 min)
3) Intraday Swing Trading (5 min. to several hours)
4) Interday Swing Trading (2-10 days)
5) Medium Term Trading (10 - 90 days)
6) Long Term Trading (90+ days)
 
Someone else's long term hold period trade has nothing to do with the definition of short-term intraday trading.
They don't correlate.

Let's take a stab at this:
1) HFT (high freq. trading) : Seconds
2) Scalping: minutes (up to 5 min)
3) Intraday Swing Trading (5 min. to several hours)
4) Interday Swing Trading (2-10 days)
5) Medium Term Trading (10 - 90 days)
6) Long Term Trading (90+ days)

good

Quite similar to my definition.

My definition:
- heavy scalper using machine or DOM ( few seconds. Trade hundreds of round turns every day)
- day trading ( few minutes to few hours)
- swing trading ( few days to few weeks )
- position trading ( few months to few years)
 
C'on..... there ain't any universal rule that a scalper must follow. Some scalpers make dozens to hundred of trades a day like a machine. Some other scalpers are happy to exit for a profit of 2 to 4 points (ES) per trade and call it a day while other scalpers want to maximize profits per trade. That said, I'm part of the latter. IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROOF YOUR POINT THAT YOU ARE A BETTER SCALPER, YOU BETTER SHOW ME YOUR BLOTTER TO CONVINCE ME.

Besides, some of you keep responding without reading my posts. I'm going to say it again that I ALSO TRADE IN A SEPARATE DAY/SWING ACCOUNT. This account allows me to trade at night time and with wider stop loss. Here is the proof from last trading week. Please note that I took a screenshot instead of using a cellphone... I'm too lazy right now to take extra steps.

PS. you guys don't have to make any negative comment about that big losing trade which took at least 5 profitable trades to cover the loss. I don't care as long as this account is positive by market close on each Friday.

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Someone else's long term hold period trade has nothing to do with the definition of short-term intraday trading.
They don't correlate.

Let's take a stab at this:
1) HFT (high freq. trading) : Seconds
2) Scalping: minutes (up to 5 min)
3) Intraday Swing Trading (5 min. to several hours)
4) Interday Swing Trading (2-10 days)
5) Medium Term Trading (10 - 90 days)
6) Long Term Trading (90+ days)

Where did you come up with these rules?????
 
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