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War in Georgia: The Israeli connection

For past seven years, Israeli companies have been helping Gerogian army to preparer for war against Russia through arms deals, training of infantry units and security advice
Arie Egozi

The fighting which broke out over the weekend between Russia and Georgia has brought Israel's intensive involvement in the region into the limelight. This involvement includes the sale of advanced weapons to Georgia and the training of the Georgian army's infantry forces.

The Defense Ministry held a special meeting Sunday to discuss the various arms deals held by Israelis in Georgia, but no change in policy has been announced as of yet.

"The subject is closely monitored," said sources in the Defense Ministry. "We are not operating in any way which may counter Israeli interests. We have turned down many requests involving arms sales to Georgia; and the ones which have been approves have been duly scrutinized. So far, we have placed no limitations on the sale of protective measures."

Israel began selling arms to Georgia about seven years ago following an initiative by Georgian citizens who immigrated to Israel and became businesspeople.

"They contacted defense industry officials and arms dealers and told them that Georgia had relatively large budgets and could be interested in purchasing Israeli weapons," says a source involved in arms exports.

The military cooperation between the countries developed swiftly. The fact that Georgia's defense minister, Davit Kezerashvili, is a former Israeli who is fluent in Hebrew contributed to this cooperation.

"His door was always open to the Israelis who came and offered his country arms systems made in Israel," the source said. "Compared to countries in Eastern Europe, the deals in this country were conducted fast, mainly due to the defense minister's personal involvement."

Among the Israelis who took advantage of the opportunity and began doing business in Georgia were former Minister Roni Milo and his brother Shlomo, former director-general of the Military Industries, Brigadier-General (Res.) Gal Hirsch and Major-General (Res.) Yisrael Ziv.

Roni Milo conducted business in Georgia for Elbit Systems and the Military Industries, and with his help Israel's defense industries managed to sell to Georgia remote-piloted vehicles (RPVs), automatic turrets for armored vehicles, antiaircraft systems, communication systems, shells and rockets.

According to Israeli sources, Gal Hirsch gave the Georgian army advice on the establishment of elite units such as Sayeret Matkal and on rearmament, and gave various courses in the fields of combat intelligence and fighting in built-up areas.

'Don't anger the Russians'

The Israelis operating in Georgia attempted to convince the Israeli Aerospace Industries to sell various systems to the Georgian air force, but were turned down. The reason for the refusal was "special" relations created between the Aerospace Industries and Russia in terms of improving fighter jets produced in the former USSR and the fear that selling weapons to Georgia would anger the Russians and prompt them to cancel the deals.

Israelis' activity in Georgia and the deals they struck there were all authorized by the Defense Ministry. Israel viewed Georgia as a friendly state to which there is no reason not to sell arms systems similar to those Israel exports to other countries in the world.

As the tension between Russia and Georgia grew, however, increasing voices were heard in Israel – particularly in the Foreign Ministry – calling on the Defense Ministry to be more selective in the approval of the deals with Georgia for fear that they would anger Russia.

"It was clear that too many unmistakable Israeli systems in the possesion of the Georgian army would be like a red cloth in the face of a raging bull as far as Russia is concerned," explained a source in the defense establishment.

For inctance, the Russians viewed the operation of the Elbit System's RPVs as a real provocation.



"It was clear that the Russians were angry," says a defense establishment source, "and that the interception of three of these RPVs in the past three months was an expression of this anger. Not everyone in Israel understood the sensitive nerve Israel touched when it supplied such an advanced arms system to a country whose relations with Russia are highly tense."

In May it was eventually decide to approve future deals with Georgia only for the sale of non-offensive weapon systems, such as intelligence, communications and computer systems, and not to approve deals for the sale of rifles, aircraft, sells, etc.

A senior source in the Military Industry said Saturday that despite some reporters, the activity of Georgia's military industry was extremely limited.

"We conducted a small job for them several years ago," he said. "The rest of the deals remained on paper."

Dov Pikulin, one of the owners of the Authentico company specializing in trips and journeys to the area, says however that "the Israeli is the main investor in the Georgian economy. Everyone is there, directly or indirectly."

Georgian minister: Israel should be proud

"The Israelis should be proud of themselves for the Israeli training and education received by the Georgian soldiers," Georgian Minister Temur Yakobashvili said Saturday.

Yakobashvili is a Jew and is fluent in Hebrew. "We are now in a fight against the great Russia," he said, "and our hope is to receive assistance from the White House, because Georgia cannot survive on its own.

"It's important that the entire world understands that what is happening in Georgia now will affect the entire world order. It's not just Georgia's business, but the entire world's business."

One of the Georgian parliament members did not settle Saturday for the call for American aid, urging Israel to help stop the Russian offensive as well: "We need help from the UN and from our friends, headed by the United States and Israel. Today Georgia is in danger – tomorrow all the democratic countries in the region and in the entire world will be in danger too."

Zvi Zinger and Hanan Greenberg contributed to this report
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Bravo Georgia, Bravo Israel, two western democracies working together against a totalitarian imperialist bully. Shame on Putin and his lapdogs.

First they came for the Georgians,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t Georgian.
Then they came for the Ukrainians,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t Ukrainian.
Then they came for the Lithuanians,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn't Lithuanian.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me
 
Say whatever you want about Putin, but he is a student of history, has big, brass balls, and is one of the most savvy politicians on the global scene today.

He'll get everything he wants and more. And there's not a damn thing any other country can do about it.

He said 'hell no' to BP.

And the Russians fall ever more in love with their leader.
 
Quote from sameeh55:

War in Georgia: The Israeli connection
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So what is new?

Zionists making money from yet another war.

After the Russian Ass-Kicking, one hopes the Georgians will be smarter than the Americans and kick the zionists out.

As Kissinger has shown, you put a zionist in position to instigate war, and you will always get one. The monetary beneficiaries always being the Zionists.

The Russians have done a good job of removing the zionists from their power centers. It's time western nations smarten up and do the same thing.
 
Uhm, according to the reports from Haaretz of air-lifting some israelis out of Georgia, there are around 12 000 ethnic jews living in Georgia. It's not like there was a "jewish insurge" or something. The georgian defense minister is a former israeli, and according to the Haaretz former georgians who had lived for some time in Israel started business proposals and brokered deals with israeli arms dealers.

Georgia-Israel ties will continue to be strong for the the foreseeable future I imagine, and they will certainly continue to have economic relations as well.

All this effort of portraying the russians as the truly bad guys in all of this, is, after looking at to what can be gained by this conflict, what the supporters of the conflict probably wanted all along. This focus on Russia and tarnishing, as well as the increased focus on NATO ties, is the grand prize that the conflict is about - it makes perfect sense for those involved, and they are reaping the rewards now.

We will undoubtly see politicians trying to build public opinion further so that they can get public backing for their strategic goals. Deutsche Welle showed a piece where opinions on Saakashvili seemed not so positive in the georgian capitol though. Don't know how that will play out, but the quick retreat by Russia could backfire on the formerly unpopular georgian leadership that sent in troops with teargas and watercannons last year against an uprising unhappy with the georgian government.
 
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Bravo Georgia, Bravo Israel, two western democracies working together against a totalitarian imperialist bully. Shame on Putin and his lapdogs.

First they came for the Georgians,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t Georgian.
Then they came for the Ukrainians,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t Ukrainian.
Then they came for the Lithuanians,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn't Lithuanian.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me
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Now that is origional. Sounded like you were preparing your 'Elite Trader' Troops for war a_person.
 
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/12/Fleeing_Georgians_fault_leaders_allies/UPI-99841218552061/

Fleeing Georgians fault leaders, allies

TBILISI, Georgia, Aug. 12 (UPI) -- At least some Georgians are spreading the blame for the outbreak of hostilities not only on Russia but their own leaders and allies.

For example, Lvan Kakashvili, whose house was flattened by Russian bombers, told the Chicago Tribune he is "very angry" with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili for giving their neighbor to the north an excuse to launch an attack.

"He knew that if he hit Tskhinvali (South Ossetia's capital), the Russians would hit Georgia. Now they are bombing us into oblivion," Kakashvili said.

Likewise, Avtandil Sisuashvili told the U.S. newspaper that he lamented the failure, thus far, of Georgia's allies to back up with any substantial action their verbal warnings to Russia to back off.

"We need to know whether we are still under Moscow's rule or whether we are protected by the West," Sisuashvili said. "We're not sure anymore whether the West defends us. Russia feels like it can do whatever it wants. We don't feel safe anymore."

Russia invaded Georgia in response to the former Soviet satellite state's attempt to rein in South Ossetia.
 
Wonder what level the nuke readiness lights have been elevated to now? Up to now any confrontations between the US and Russia and its former self had been done thru surrogates. Any head to head was always out of the question. That Georgia should invade Russian interests and think the cavalry is right behind them rises almost to the level of satire. Inspector Clouseau must be advising him ...uh oh, that sort of judgement has a familiar ring to it. How tight does Bush think he can tighten the noose around the bears neck before it bites him.
 
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Educate yourself, ignorance is not a bliss! And read some history books, Israel is the land of the jews whether you and the muslim street like it or not.
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Sorry dude, but you read selective history that supports your view.

The land was originally called Canaan, and was inhabited by what one can say were the ancestors of Palestinians, but not that closely linked. The Hebrews that had to leave Egypt, basically came and settled Canaan in a not so friendly matter. Later the Romans came and enacted their not so friendly rule. The name "Palestine" comes from the Roman Empire.

Your knowledge of the Georgian conflict is a by-product of American media, which, btw, waited almost half a day to slant their version toward a certain goal. Let's make something clear, Georgia has been on Russian's sh*t list ever since they sold out to USA in 1990s. The scuffles in the contested areas have been going on for over a decade, but the one which started it was over the top. Saakashvili could have prevented this long long time ago, but it was allowed to happen for a purpose. I mean really, he knows that Russia is just waiting for an excuse to go to war with him. Just watch the play unfold, this conflict is no random accident.

Bottom line, you have not even scratched the surface.
 
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The land was originally called Canaan, and was inhabited by what one can say were the ancestors of Palestinians, but not that closely linked. The Hebrews that had to leave Egypt, basically came and settled Canaan in a not so friendly matter.
There is no evidence whatsoever that connects Palestinians to Canaanites. While it is generally thought that Canaanites originally migrated from the Arabian Peninsula even that has never been proven and if it was it would still not constitute a link between the Palestinians and ancient Canaanites. Moreover it has been argued that the Israelites were themselves Canaanites so this whole thing is a very moot point.

The only thing it actually proves is that the two state solution was the right thing to do and we both know that the descendants of Israelites accepted the partition while the alleged descendants of Canaanites did not. :)


Let's make something clear, Georgia has been on Russian's sh*t list ever since they sold out to USA in 1990s.
I don't understand, are you saying that this is somehow supposed to explain and justify their actions, that if a country pissed Russia off invading and bombing the crap out of it is OK?

Everyone knows that Russia and Georgia has a history of frictions (to put it mildly) actually going back centuries, not just a couple of decades, it's hardly news. Everyone also knows who starts each cycle of violence - Georgia has absolutely no interest in occupying Russia, Russia on the other hand occupied Georgia for a hundred years and now openly supports every separatist movement within Georgia. Whether Russia has or does not have geopolitical interests in that region in no way justifies the unprovoked, brutal and well-prepared aggression and invasion.
 
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