Let me start by saying that it took me about 5 years before I started making money consistently. I've been in the profession for 20+ years and I occasionally have down years. Now I'll hit your points below....
First, I spend ~2 years with stock trading (even intradeys) , more than 150 trades excecuted. Result: -25%. Without commision is: -2%.-------->>> You're actually ahead of the curve here. Most people blow up in their first 2 years. I was in the blow up category.
I have read many books, tested many own and others strategy by Amibroker. Papertrade by oanda.com.-------->>> The best book I can recommend is "Trading in the Zone," by Mark Douglas. You need to analyze and train your mind to think like a trader to be successful. Work on your mind and then work on the markets.
I cannot win
What I can learned:
1. ATR and commision% relation is important when I enter to position.------>>> Agree. Trading less can solve some of this.
2. breakout strategies are loser even with moneymanagment and volume filters.------>>> I couldn't agree more. Trading breakouts is a strategy that is destined to fail. You have to do something different if you want to win. I started winning when I learned to program and developed trading tools based on statistical analysis. I have a few models running during the day with a measure of volatility being the most important variable. My strategies are radically different for a volatile market compared to a non-volatile market. In my opinion, correctly measuring the volatility of the market is the most important key for success.
3. simple gap up/down candle pattern strategies are good performers. With 60-70% winrate and 20-40% return on some (but not all) market. But I cannot follow that, because its need really ful time job.----->>> If you've found something that works keep doing it. If you can't work it because of other obligations look for something you can work.
4. indicators are losers.------->>> For the most part I agree. They are just tools and some of them are useful but you can't put full faith in them. There are times when they are very useful and times when they are not. Knowing the difference can only come with experience.
After that, I thought trading is not a craft, but an art. Craft can be learn, but art needs some speciality.--------->>> Trading is indeed an art but I believe it's an art that can be learned to a degree. Some are better than others at visually interpreting data but trading can still be learned.
So, I tried zulu trader. Rent 5-6 guys, and i got disappointing result after 1 month:~-10%.
Because I never ever talked, see any people living from active trading for years, I getting to though it is impossible!
Yes, of cours i know people living from trading result. But, THEY WAS ONE SUCCESFULL YEAR, AND THEY STOP TRADING AND INVEST TO REAL BUSSINES. OR GETTING TO SELL TRADING RELATED SERVICES. HUGE DIFFERENCE!. i JUST THINK THEY WERE LUCKY ONLY, NOT PROFFESSIONALS.-------->>> There may be some truth to this. If you make it big the best thing to do is to quit because you'll give it back if success was based on luck but I know several people who make their living off trading. It can be done but you'd be surprised at how much money you can make with a small hot dog stand or ice cream shop. The markup on those items is huge.
So what do you think? ----->>> 2 years is a short period of time. If you truly have a passion for the business give it more time. Otherwise, quit and think about that hot dog stand. There are many, many ways to make money. The older I get the less I want to trade so I'm slowly transitioning into another profession. I won't say what it is but I'll always be trading. I just don't want to make it my primary source of income anymore for the sole reason that it's very, very stressful and I'm getting to old to roll with the stress. It's a young man's sport. Good luck with whatever you decide.
First, I spend ~2 years with stock trading (even intradeys) , more than 150 trades excecuted. Result: -25%. Without commision is: -2%.-------->>> You're actually ahead of the curve here. Most people blow up in their first 2 years. I was in the blow up category.
I have read many books, tested many own and others strategy by Amibroker. Papertrade by oanda.com.-------->>> The best book I can recommend is "Trading in the Zone," by Mark Douglas. You need to analyze and train your mind to think like a trader to be successful. Work on your mind and then work on the markets.
I cannot win
What I can learned:
1. ATR and commision% relation is important when I enter to position.------>>> Agree. Trading less can solve some of this.
2. breakout strategies are loser even with moneymanagment and volume filters.------>>> I couldn't agree more. Trading breakouts is a strategy that is destined to fail. You have to do something different if you want to win. I started winning when I learned to program and developed trading tools based on statistical analysis. I have a few models running during the day with a measure of volatility being the most important variable. My strategies are radically different for a volatile market compared to a non-volatile market. In my opinion, correctly measuring the volatility of the market is the most important key for success.
3. simple gap up/down candle pattern strategies are good performers. With 60-70% winrate and 20-40% return on some (but not all) market. But I cannot follow that, because its need really ful time job.----->>> If you've found something that works keep doing it. If you can't work it because of other obligations look for something you can work.
4. indicators are losers.------->>> For the most part I agree. They are just tools and some of them are useful but you can't put full faith in them. There are times when they are very useful and times when they are not. Knowing the difference can only come with experience.
After that, I thought trading is not a craft, but an art. Craft can be learn, but art needs some speciality.--------->>> Trading is indeed an art but I believe it's an art that can be learned to a degree. Some are better than others at visually interpreting data but trading can still be learned.
So, I tried zulu trader. Rent 5-6 guys, and i got disappointing result after 1 month:~-10%.
Because I never ever talked, see any people living from active trading for years, I getting to though it is impossible!
Yes, of cours i know people living from trading result. But, THEY WAS ONE SUCCESFULL YEAR, AND THEY STOP TRADING AND INVEST TO REAL BUSSINES. OR GETTING TO SELL TRADING RELATED SERVICES. HUGE DIFFERENCE!. i JUST THINK THEY WERE LUCKY ONLY, NOT PROFFESSIONALS.-------->>> There may be some truth to this. If you make it big the best thing to do is to quit because you'll give it back if success was based on luck but I know several people who make their living off trading. It can be done but you'd be surprised at how much money you can make with a small hot dog stand or ice cream shop. The markup on those items is huge.
So what do you think? ----->>> 2 years is a short period of time. If you truly have a passion for the business give it more time. Otherwise, quit and think about that hot dog stand. There are many, many ways to make money. The older I get the less I want to trade so I'm slowly transitioning into another profession. I won't say what it is but I'll always be trading. I just don't want to make it my primary source of income anymore for the sole reason that it's very, very stressful and I'm getting to old to roll with the stress. It's a young man's sport. Good luck with whatever you decide.