Prison system a costly, harmful failure:

[Hydroblunt]

Quote from thesharpone:

Prison systems are no where near perfect or even correct, first off you would think the majority of real criminals are in prison, usually only repeat offenses like smoking pot get caught, majority of homicide cases, thefts, scams and rapes go unsolved, usually because criminals are not as stupid as hollywood likes to make them look like, and second the real world is not hollywood where a cop puts his own life in danger just to butt his head into things he dare not, that's why they solve drug cases, it's easier to go handcuff a high person than to mess with some gang and put your family in danger too.

Second prisoners have very different states of mind, one might not mind being in prison or might actually like it since (s)he doesn't have to work, butt fucks others in prison, and has a more comfortable bed than what (s)he had at home, while another loser is in there for nothing serious.

I wanted to write more, but fuck it, not even worth wasting my time on it.

Interesting stuff.

Also, around the Reagan era is when the manufacturing base started being offshored, hence withdrawing jobs from the poorest neighborhoods. Prisons started replacing factories, instead of jobs you had human storage. Hence the change in laws for easier prosecution & imprisonment for non-violent offenses such as drugs.

 

[nutmeg]

Exodus doesn't account for cases of mistaken identity or any mistakes. If I recall, Exodus was taken literally in Italy by the Mafia way way back when..weren't too many men left. I also think Exodus is commonly misinterpreted.

 

[rcanfiel]

Quote from nutmeg:

Exodus doesn't account for cases of mistaken identity or any mistakes. If I recall, Exodus was taken literally in Italy by the Mafia way way back when..weren't too many men left. I also think Exodus is commonly misinterpreted.

Cities of refuge were set up as part of the law. People were not supposed to be disciplined by vigilantes, but by multi-witness testimony and through a carefully constructed Law/legal system. Punishing the innocent was not something that was condoned. But a lot of innocents still go through the modern process, so technology and modern law enforcement is no guarantee.

 

[rcanfiel]

Quote from Hydroblunt:

Interesting stuff.

Also, around the Reagan era is when the manufacturing base started being offshored, hence withdrawing jobs from the poorest neighborhoods. Prisons started replacing factories, instead of jobs you had human storage. Hence the change in laws for easier prosecution & imprisonment for non-violent offenses such as drugs.

What does offshoring have to do with any administration? Republicans and Democrats are equally ineffective at dealing with this. Companies will flow to where it is cheapest/easiest.

I think the solution is simple. Pull workmen's comp, medicare/soc security, medical insurance, vacation, holidays, worker's rights, reasonable pay scales, environmental damage costs, and most other mandated worker requirements, out of the formula. Every country that wants to import to the USA pays a flat tariff per product/service, cost-based on industry averages of these mandated expenses.

NOW let us see China compete. I do not see the point of imports, when China burns massive amounts of polluting coal, has little worker protection/rights/benefits, pays almost nothing, and then gets to dump their wares on their market when American workers have the above builtin costs.

 

[maxpi]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Yes, I agree, but the big problem is the culture. When thugs like the so-called Jenna 6 are lionized and treated as heroes and celebrities, it tells you all you need to know about the problem.

it just confirms that somebody wants things screwed up the way they are and they can buy democrat politicians/entertainers... same thing really...

 

[TheDarkness]

Quote from FerdinandAlx:

I think your train of thought here is fascinating. You propose that crime can be detered by directing an equal crime against an identified perpetrator. The paradox is that instead of detering crime, it is perpetuated through the law.

If you truely want to eliminate crime it means you will have to rise above the law through... forgiveness.

LOL