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Quote from simon1080:

Countries like india, china .. dubai and etc.. are busy building a massive arsenal of highly educated , very intillectual young generation...

So what? I'm not exactly patriotic but its not like your reading about all these vast technological/scientific breakthroughs coming from the east.
If every other week we were reading something along the lines of "the chinese build the world's first quantum computer" I would be worried.
Alot of smart engineers building extravagent buildings isn't really that bothersome.

Quote from psytrade:

pitz is totally right- there is a bear market in innovation in the US- /B]


as opposed to what country?
 
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Majority of the foreign students at our ivy league schools (which is a large %) ... they are all going back home to work this time... and not staying behind! [/B]

You can thank the INS for the brain drain...this has MAJOR implications on technologies development in the USA.
 
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There's plenty of smart people in America. But just no jobs for them.

Guys with MSEE's have to *grovel* for $60k/year jobs, and then kiss the ground every day they're allowed to keep their job. Ph.D's are perpetually kept 'employed' in our universities as postdoctoral fellows, at pay of $30-$40k/year, if even. University degrees and higher education in science have essentially become oaths of perpetual poverty, *not* paths to prestige. Meanwhile those frat boys who whored it up their entire time in college graduate to cushy investment banking jobs where they do very little of value and get paid very handsomely.

Its all broken. I graduated just a few years ago in engineering, not a kind of engineering that's related to the energy sector, and I can count on two hands (and my feet) the number of my fellow classmates that are unemployed or underemployed. R&D spending essentially was cut to zero after the collapse of the high tech sector in 2000, and the same thing happened in pharmaceutical research.

In the 90s, it was neat waking up, loading up slashdot, and seeing that some researcher had invented something new. I just loaded up the page right now, and here are the stories:

"City Sues To Prevent Linking To Its Website"
"Citizens Demand To See Secret ACTA Treaty"
"Study Finds Video Games Are Not Bad for Kids "
"Royal Society "Creationist" Resigns "
"Copyright Board Lawyer Responds On Pandora's End "
"Congress May Kill NIH Open Access Research Rules "
"Mozilla Admits Firefox EULA Is Flawed"
"Scott Adams's Political Survey of Economists "

Over half of the stories on there relate to political or legal trivialities. No headlines of new inventions, or exciting new things coming out of research. Its quite pathetic really what we've become.

AMEN Pitz!

BTW same pitz as at RFD & financial webring forum? Good to see you man
 
Quote from simon1080:

The world is changing at rapid pace.


While the average young american is an uneducated idiot busy smoking up.. partying at the clubs ... screwing whores.. (myself being one - the screwing whores part as i'm happily engaged)


Countries like india, china .. dubai and etc.. are busy building a massive arsenal of highly educated , very intillectual young generation...

except this time these countries have a lot of money to put into good use.


I think this country needs major changes to the core or else its doomed over time!



Majority of the foreign students at our ivy league schools (which is a large %) ... they are all going back home to work this time... and not staying behind!

That analysis is right on the money. But how do we fix it?
 
Quote from NazSpaz:

That analysis is right on the money. But how do we fix it?


Well for one... stop recruiting the young to go blow people up instead try and push them for higher education.

When was the last time you saw an ad on tv promoting education to the young generation?

I can count at least 10000 times i've seen tv ads for navy.. marines etc...



Stop funding billions of dollars for utter bullshit such as finding osama bin laden in a cave. If we don't go blow up half the middle east .. they would have no reason to come here and act on revenge.


Funding funding funding.. schools.. education... technology... scientific research... biomedical research. recruitment of talent world wide.. the H1B visa reform that Bill gates has been pushing has been at a stall in the freakin congress for almost 3 years now.


thats my opinion anyway!
 
Saudi Arabia is still problematic - Kuwait and Dubai are progressing.

They're the ones becoming more moderate, building advanced technical centers, universities and R&D parks, while embracing capitalism and the scientific method.

I'm bullish on the UAE and South Korea. They want a future built on making things of value - not just selling off their natural resources when they need to raise cash.
 
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