Primal / Paleo Diet

[tomdavis]

Quote from highballs:

But you've seen the reverse, study of sugar controlled for saturated fat?

Nah, you haven't but you can't inculpate the meat in your diet because that mean you'd have to give up roast beef, bacon and eggs.


that's too much to take

I don't eat bacon. It's a processed food. Nor do I eat fried eggs, though I will eat poached eggs to keep the "processing" to a minimum. I don't eat any kind of fried foods because frying is a form of destructive food processing.

I've done my own study of sugars relative to saturated fats. The dramatic changes in my blood chemistry, weight, body-fat percentage and energy levels are convincing to me. Even my PSA and c-reactive protein levels decreased when I stopped eating sugars and processed foods.

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from tomdavis:

Healthy societies eat very little processed food. How much animal protein they eat is of little consequence.

Maybe, but until there is solid evidence we have to go with what is proven for a long life span don't we.
Didn't the eskimoes who ate a high fat and completly non-processed diet also have a short life span and I think the same is true for that tribe in Africa that drinks so much milk. They are healthy for most of their lives but they don't live to an old age like we do.

 

[highballs]

Quote from tomdavis:



I've done my own study of sugars relative to saturated fats.

really? Would you post it here? where are you published so we can be sure you controlled for... Your anecdote certainly trumps all else that's been done

 

[tomdavis]

Quote from bigarrow:

Maybe, but until there is solid evidence we have to go with what is proven for a long life span don't we.
Didn't the eskimoes who ate a high fat and completly non-processed diet also have a short life span and I think the same is true for that tribe in Africa that drinks so much milk. They are healthy for most of their lives but they don't live to an old age like we do.

I'm not talking about eating a diet that exclusively high fat like the examples you're referring to. I'm talking about a balanced diet that includes meat, fresh vegetables and fruits and also nuts and seeds -- but eliminates all sugars and processed foods.

In addition to meat, I eat a lot of fresh organic vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds. Success for me has come from finding the right balance.

I EAT:
1. Fresh meats (unprocessed and never fried)
2. Fresh organic vegetables
3. Fresh organic fruits
4. Raw organic nuts and seeds.

I NEVER EAT:
1. Processed foods and sugars
2. Transfats
3. Milk products

 

[highballs]

Quote from tomdavis:

I'm not talking about eating a diet that exclusively high fat like the examples you're referring to. I'm talking about a balanced diet that includes meat, fresh vegetables and fruits and also nuts and seeds -- but eliminates all sugars and processed foods.

In addition to meat, I eat a lot of fresh organic vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds. Success for me has come from finding the right balance.

I EAT:
1. Fresh meats (unprocessed and never fried)
2. Fresh organic vegetables
3. Fresh organic fruits
4. Raw organic nuts and seeds.

I NEVER EAT:
1. Processed foods and sugars
2. Transfats
3. Milk products

How did you conclude that skim milk is worse for me than roast beef?

 

[tomdavis]

Quote from highballs:

really? Would you post it here? where are you published so we can be sure you controlled for... Your anecdote certainly trumps all else that's been done

I was not using the word "study" literally, but rather to explain my personal experience -- the changes in my blood chemistry I achieved by eliminating sugars and processed foods .

 

[tomdavis]

Quote from highballs:

How did you conclude that skim milk is worse for me than roast beef?

I never said that anything is better or worse for you. I said that's what I eat.

 

[highballs]

Quote from tomdavis:

I never said that anything is better or worse for you. I said that's what I eat.

HOW DID YOU CONCLUDE THAT ROAST BEEF IS A HEALTH FOOD FOR YOU BUT SKIM MILK IS NOT?

Since, as you say, you've never seen a study controlling for saturated fat

 

[tomdavis]

Quote from highballs:

HOW DID YOU CONCLUDE THAT ROAST BEEF IS A HEALTH FOOD FOR YOU BUT SKIM MILK IS NOT?

Since, as you say, you've never seen a study

I changed my diet under the guidance of a dietician who was referred to me by my cardiologist. She's the one who recommended the diet, and modified it along the way until it was fine-tuned for me.

The fact that my cholesterol fell by over 50%, my triglycerides fell by 80% along with decreases in PSA, c-reactive protein, etc. were convincing to her and my cardiologist that this was the right dietary program for me.

Milk products were eliminated from my diet because they make me feel tired and increase my blood sugar levels. This is common in about 60% of the adult population according to my dietician.

 

[highballs]

good for your dietician got you off skim milk and on roast beef!

skim milk kills!