Pricing options with upcoming earnings event

Quote from total_keops:

To the OP,
you would need to use a stochastic volatility + jump in price and jump in volatility pricing model. If you ask, you can't understand the math involved I guess. Black Scholes with a good volatility estimate is not the answer, you may got on it by luck.
Just think that MM are not as clueless as we are. So, the price must be fair and on average, they make money. If your talking about a specific ER on a specific stock at a specific price forget the math and the FV, it's a bet.

Everything in trading is a bet.
 
Quote from TM1982:

Everything in trading is a bet.
The point is that the MM is trading an expectation ( ± average of all bets on all earnings at all strikes on all stocks) and you are taking a wilder shot (one bet) compared to him. But nothing wrong with that.
 
Quote from total_keops:

The point is that the MM is trading an expectation ( ± average of all bets on all earnings at all strikes on all stocks) and you are taking a wilder shot (one bet) compared to him. But nothing wrong with that.

I trade 8 industries, all names in those industries, and have a professional pricing system. The only flaw is I don't have the ability to price an earnings event which is why I started the thread.

I'll be taking many bets as well so the MM and I are on even ground.
 
Quote from TM1982:

Jacks appreciate the reply. The straddle pricing is very effective but only works for names that have earnings during expiration week. And you can't put it on early in the month, you have to wait till maybe the Thurs or Fri before expiration week begins.
IMO, last year's swan dive alterered the "normal" pattern of pre earnings IV expansion. Because IV got so high last fall, we've been in a down trending contraction and in general, the individual spikes have been less since they're swimming upstream.

Prior to that effect, if involved in more complex spreads, you could buy long straddles pre EA, catch some of the IV expansion and then sell near term higher IV positions against the long legs. In some cases you could catch some underlying move on the long straddle before selling the short legs.

It's still possible to do this but from what I've seen, this pattern is muted. Hopefully it will return as things settle down tho I'd be much happier if we had a repeat of last fall's volatility :)
 
Quote from TM1982:

I trade 8 industries, all names in those industries, and have a professional pricing system. The only flaw is I don't have the ability to price an earnings event which is why I started the thread.
I'm reading into this statement a bit, so ...

You can't price an earnings event accurately. In more normal years (last year's dive is a problem), you can get a ball park figure by assuming that it will do this quarter what it did in previous quarters (see historical IV graph). You can also estimate that the near month will contract to something a little higher than the 3 rd series out (2nd month teneds to contract more). Where that gets to be a problem is when these two projections differ significantly.

But either way, it's a volatility "estimate" and you have to assume a small range of error when modeling potential positions.
 
Quote from spindr0:

IMO, last year's swan dive alterered the "normal" pattern of pre earnings IV expansion. Because IV got so high last fall, we've been in a down trending contraction and in general, the individual spikes have been less since they're swimming upstream.

Prior to that effect, if involved in more complex spreads, you could buy long straddles pre EA, catch some of the IV expansion and then sell near term higher IV positions against the long legs. In some cases you could catch some underlying move on the long straddle before selling the short legs.

It's still possible to do this but from what I've seen, this pattern is muted. Hopefully it will return as things settle down tho I'd be much happier if we had a repeat of last fall's volatility :)

Well said, looks like you know options very well. Do you trade vol for an MM?
 
Quote from TM1982:

Well said, looks like you know options very well. Do you trade vol for an MM?
Nah, I'm just your every day meat and potatoes retail trader who knows a little too much for his own good :)

But I do trade volatility for selective EA's.
 
Actually, now that I think about it, this should be doable, in a simplistic sorta way. You just assign custom weights to appropriate dates and use them for any interpolations you need to perform. The weights can be based on historical estimates or you can probably calibrate them to mkt prices.

These simple solutions are practiced by gamma people in the world of rates. My guess is that similar approaches are used in OTC equity derivatives.
 
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