Price/Volume Relationship

I have done some comparing too and find it pretty strange that many of my setups do not even show up on volume charts compared to a time chart of the same period. Different strokes.......
 
Quote from bluedemon77:

Very interesting, Prof. I've never read about this approach before. I haven't read that long thread yet, but I will. AmiBroker isn't set up for volume bars and I'm not sure how hard it would be to set them up or whether or not it's possible with IQFeed or IB Feed, but I'll look into it.

What's the bottom indicator? And the zig-zag yellow line is just a zig-zag or something else? It looks like you just trade based on S/R with no averages, channels, etc.?

It took me 12 years to develop this approach so it isn't any wonder it isn't well known.
I think it is possible with IQ feed. You need to check.
The bottom indicator is an Ergodic Indicator. I use it only to confirm Trend and oscillations not to trade from.
The yellow trend lines on the price portion of the chart are taken from the Prime Oscillations on the next fastest incremental chart (in this case the 343. And yes, I trade based solely on S/R, no averages (a variable), channels (a variable) or anything else. If it can't be used objectively I don't want it.
 
Quote from K-Rock:

I like constant volume bars, because it filters some of the noise produced by time charts during congestion periods. However I'm beginning to question if constant volume bars are perfect, and if it accurately displays the relationship between price & volume. For example, after reading bolter's thread (http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63202) about volume profile, he clearly demonstrates the lack of volume (a valley) at a certain price is just as important as a peak in volume. Constant volume bars are great when there is a lot of volume to measure price action, but when volume is low and there is volatility in price you end up with a lot of wide range bars similar to time charts, and the only way to compensate for this is to zoom in by using a smaller interval to see the price action. So the problem becomes what interval is right for current market conditions. Just my 2 cents.

Depends in part on how you're defining "low". You can always zoom in to a smaller interval in order to find a trade, but if volume is that low, then how attractive is the trade? In other words, the WRBs may look tempting, but if there is insufficient volume, will they meet your entry criteria?

LC
 
Quote from dandxg:

The problem with volume bars, I found Pro Logic is that they don't get cut at the right volume because of block trades. This happened to me in both Esignal and Sierra Chart. According to a post a ways back from you, if they aren't consistent that's no good. I am going off memory, but I do recall a post of you made in about a month ago. I don't know if multi charts can cut a bar at exact volume, but if Esignal can't that seems to be a problem with using volume bars.

I did appreciate your taking the time to educate us. :)

The only software I know that builds the bars correctly is Ensign and MultiCharts. I've been told that Sierra does but have been unable to verify that yet. You are correct. If the software doesn't cap the bars to the exact number of contracts or shares designatied per bar then then clarity the volume bars offer is rendered useless.

Ensign is a pain to use because of the "refresh" feature.
 
Quote from bluedemon77:

I had a longer look at your chart and I have to say this is one of the most helpful things I've seen posted on ET. How do you define your setups and what makes one aggressive and another conservative? What's PPF?

If you read the thread I linked it will answer a lot of questions. I think I covered everything there. Sorry but there is a lot of information in that thread and repeating it would make my hand hurt . . . lol
 
Quote from K-Rock:

I like constant volume bars, because it filters some of the noise produced by time charts during congestion periods. However I'm beginning to question if constant volume bars are perfect, and if it accurately displays the relationship between price & volume. For example, after reading bolter's thread (http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63202) about volume profile, he clearly demonstrates the lack of volume (a valley) at a certain price is just as important as a peak in volume. Constant volume bars are great when there is a lot of volume to measure price action, but when volume is low and there is volatility in price you end up with a lot of wide range bars similar to time charts, and the only way to compensate for this is to zoom in by using a smaller interval to see the price action. So the problem becomes what interval is right for current market conditions. Just my 2 cents.

You are absolutely correct about them filtering out the noise. They are perfect for that. But remember because they are constant (at least Ensign & MultiCharts bars) they are uneffected by spikes in volume on extreme tops or bottoms they simple move faster . . . without the noise. In low volume times they simply move slower . . . without the noise but in either case their movement is consistent. Trends exist one chart increment at a time. If you "Zoom in" on a chart you are rendering the trend on that chart useless become you have MOVED the chart increment to a faster oscillation.
 
Quote from ProfLogic:

The only software I know that builds the bars correctly is Ensign and MultiCharts. I've been told that Sierra does but have been unable to verify that yet. You are correct. If the software doesn't cap the bars to the exact number of contracts or shares designatied per bar then then clarity the volume bars offer is rendered useless.

Ensign is a pain to use because of the "refresh" feature.



Any knowledge of TradeStation's CVBs? Does TS cap at the number of contracts specified? Thanks...
 
Quote from skippy:

Any knowledge of TradeStation's CVBs? Does TS cap at the number of contracts specified? Thanks...


Actually, to hazard an answer my own question...

I have a counter on my chart that ticks off the # of contracts remaining before the bar closes. Admittedly, I'm unable to watch every click of the thing, but I have yet to see evidence that TS' CVBs are not capped at the specified number. But I'll continue to watch...
 
Quote from skippy:

Any knowledge of TradeStation's CVBs? Does TS cap at the number of contracts specified? Thanks...

No, their bars aren't capped. They have been after my programmer to give them his program he created to fix TS's bars but he told them to sit and spin. They could do it they just don't see the need to spend the programming hours necessary.
 
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