Price driven charts - Do you adjust settings based on changes in volatility?

Tick/volume/range bar charts are more sensitive to actual price action and trading, so they might give a better representation of what's going on currently.


I'm not quite sure what you mean by "sensitive to price action and trading", but I certainly agree that they give you a better representation of what's going on than timed charts do. (There's nothing to stop you from looking at both/all three, if you want to?).

For what it's worth (if anything) if you're looking at changing how your charts are constructed, personally I'd strongly recommend constant-volume bars over tick charts. My reservations about tick charts include my perception that, unlike volume charts, they don't/can't distinguish between tiny and huge orders being transacted.


I have done quite a bit of experimentation with all three charts mentioned above, but I have yet to find a significant edge over time based charts.


It's not easy to verify. It requires meticulous, methodical research and analysis over a long period.

I'd been increasingly strongly advised to switch to volume charts by (successful, professional) traders I knew, who knew how I traded. I eventually tried it, and ended up wishing I'd done so at an earlier stage (but I'm very difficult to teach/advise and have to work almost everything out for myself). I effectively ran both methods (i.e. timed and volume charts) side-by-side for 6 months, taking "the same" price-action-based entries for each, with the same trade management (different trades, of course, though not very different numbers of trades, overall), and compared the results, which were consistently and significantly favourable for futures/volume: briefly, I was able to average about 25% more profit, overall, without increasing the risk, each month for 6 consecutive months. This is, of course, a very superficial, abbreviated summary - the statistical analysis was much more complicated and intricate than I'm making it sound; but the mechanics of actually doing it weren't.


I assume most people using price driven charts are day traders anyway.


Again, with apologies, I'm not quite clear what you mean by "price-driven charts", here. What sort of charts aren't "price-driven"? o_O
 
Thanks for your input, Xela. I'm on the run, so will reply fast on your last comment/question.

Maybe 'activity-based' is a more precise word. Regardless, time based charts plot based on time & price, but they don't need price movement to be plotted. In effect, you could have a 1 point range on the ES with 390 1-minute bars each day.
 
Anyone interested in sharing settings or how you use tick charts...

...FWIW, I have done quite a bit of experimentation with all three charts mentioned above, but I have yet to find a significant edge over time based charts. If the 1-minute chart is too slow and one wants to read greater detail, can one not simply use for example 30-second charts or even less?

when looking at the auctioning process, what is important to me are swing highs & lows. these tell me the number of attempts to take price higher/lower, & at what levels. we can imagine how much of these are omitted when we use an M15/5 tf for eg. even M1 during high impact news will miss the finer details. if you do not trade intraday, time based charts are good enough. also, you trade ES which has a 12.5usd tick value. this is a 'thick' per tick contract to me, as is NK. my personal opinion is tick/volume charts are less useful here, since the thicker tick values mean the range prices move will be less

the read of finer details to me is the advantage of tick/volume charts as one looking for intraday entries. yes, a finer tf like 30s will show more. but say vs a 500tick chart that prints every 500tick, you will get alot more bars. a 500tick bar will also reflect the amount of trading interest as it prints each bar. when trading activity is high, it prints more. when low, it prints less, giving one a sense of the current interest level

for settings, as a daytrader, I want to see an entire day's worth of x tick bars on my screen, without having to squint my eyes. if I use 1000ticks for an instrument, & it shows up on only half my screen, I will go smaller till my screen fills. not to say time based charts are useless. I also use time based charts for higher tf chart lines preparation
 
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Hi all,

With the recent increase in volatility, I'm curious if those of you using tick/volume/range and other types of charts not based on time are adjusting your settings or if you use the same settings regardless of volatility? :)
Try Looking at the Bigger Picture Bud - As to where you are intended on trending the Pair and where you think that the Pair should end up - If this fails than have your settings inline with what you think that Price is trying to convey to you than re-check your work as Time Pasts as so you can begin to understand when you are at adequate Support or Resistance Level as of the Price Moving Onwards. I hope that you will find this piece helpful.
 
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Laissez Faire...

I use tick charts and volatility changes over time, so i review my charts weekly and change the tick sizes, if needed for the next weeks trading.

I also review weekly and change if needed, trading paramaters like number of contracts, initial stoploss and variable stops.


Cheers

Toucan
 
I update values of my volatility study monthly. Many different types of studies out there. Only one is needed. Fragmenting it into a trade plan will be the challenge of your life if successful.

Sounds interesting. Care to share more...? :)

I pay close to various price parameters including various ways to measure volatility which is updated daily/weekly, but haven't yet incorporated it in my use of tick/volume charts which I'm still studying.
 
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