Price Action Traders
- Thread starter bearmountain
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For those of you who don't know, Fletch is the owner/administrator of Al Brooks website, Brooks Price Action.
Fletch, I find it interesting that Al Brooks for whatever reason seems to invoke a 'strong' response in people. People very quickly develop a love/hate response. I believe most intuitively recognize the value of price action. However upon purchase of Al's book, some are put off by 5 min charts, others, the purist, put off by his use of 20 EMA indicator. Still others find endless nuances in Al's setup quite troubling.
I am new to discretionary price action trading, I must say reading Al's book has had a tremendous positive effect on my trading.
The word "inexcusable" is very appropriate when he has resources to resolve all the complaints I keep reading about his book.
As for myself, never did I say I was interested in reading the book. Simply, it never even crossed my thoughts to buy it especially considering I've already read the "negative reviews" in several different threads here at ET by those that have read the book.
Regardless, I've read many messages at several different discussion forums by those that have read his book and two particular users of his method have offered to help him in ensuring it's professionally written in comparison to the 1st edition (they did mentioned they are members of his support forum). Lets see if he takes them up on their offer. If not...I can then use that word "inexcusable" once again if I see complaints here at ET about the 2nd edition.
Further, it's not personal.
By the way, my thoughts are based upon those that have access to his books and have read it more than once...more negative than positive about the way the material is written/explained. Thus, don't attempt to bust my nuts. Instead, go tell them their being overly dramatic in their reviews by traders at several different discussion forums.
P.S. Can anybody answer the following...those Al Brooks use moving averages?
Mark
Thanks...then maybe the title of the thread should be "Price Action Traders that Uses One Indicator".
Regardless, this is the thread starter primary question when the thread was started...
I don't know about you folks but I wouldn't consider Al Brooks a pure price action trader (not even close due to the fact he uses an indicator for whatever reason) nor would I consider him to be an active ET member.
That's the thing about these "Price Action Trading" threads (there's many others like it)...the reason why traders switch from using indicators to price action trading is too get away from indicators...main reason why newbie traders get confused about what is price action only trading or pure price action trading is that they forget that it does not involve the use of indicators or think using only one indicator is ok to allow them to believe they've traversed in getting away from the use of indicators.
Mark
It sure gets old seeing someone say this / that doesnât workâ¦. Or if you donât do X or Y âspecificallyâ then you ainât this or that
And why is it whenever I see someone pissin over trading PA â or more specific labeling an approach / methodology as PA â or not⦠I get this reoccurring mental pictureâ¦
Trader thumping his/ her chest saying âI am a PA traderââ¦
Meanwhile some know nothing newcomer is looking at this trader and saying â âYeah but if you would only draw a trend line you would see youâre position is underwater and price is heading further against you in a strong wayââ¦
To which the PA trader responds â âI am a PA Traderâ
Why not let the academics define terms / ague meanings / assign labels â while we traders focus on applying whatever tool(s) â we deem necessary â toward making money the best way weâre able
End of Storyâ¦
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BM;
Let take that 20 EMAâ¦., or any MA/EMA for that matter â and see if we can put it to use
As for a definition â donât have one â donât need one â donât careâ¦.
As to what we can use it forâ¦..
We can use it as an MA / EMA â obviouslyâ¦
Meaning letâs pick a setting that characterizes/ defines the normal price movement of whatever weâre tradingâ¦
Then weâll know if whatever weâre trading â is or isnât acting normalâ¦.
If 20 works for ya great â if not change itâ¦
One important note though â if youâre using multiple time frames â make sure you use different settings (different on each chart that is) so your getting the same exact read amongst all your various charts â and obviously they should be in sync with your designated trading chart (Iâm assuming the 5 minute is your trading chart â but maybe not)
Multiple charts with conflicting information is not good
As to other usesâ¦
We can use it;
As a Trend line
As a S or R Line
To identify an over extended condition â which conversely happens to be an RTM approach
To identify emotion/ conviction â and/or the lack thereof
An MA/ EMA is pretty versatileâ¦and has its usesâ¦..
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On another note
We could discuss bars/ candles â as I find it amazing how much information they contain â but unfortunately Iâd be giving out some hard earned knowledge Iâd rather not share outrightâ¦
If however if you have specific questions â ask â and Iâll answer the best Iâm able.
And you have my word we wonât argue semantics
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Closing thought
What ever you decide to use/ place on your chart(s) in order to characterize price â it is vital you place it so price is able to freely show you its characterizationâ¦
Never place anything youâre using in such a way that you are trying to force price to appear the way you want
Granted my last two sentences are confusing â but eventually they will make sense â and itâs when they start making sense that price begins revealing its story
Always remember â price controls you â you will never control it
RN
And why is it whenever I see someone pissin over trading PA â or more specific labeling an approach / methodology as PA â or not⦠I get this reoccurring mental pictureâ¦
Trader thumping his/ her chest saying âI am a PA traderââ¦
Meanwhile some know nothing newcomer is looking at this trader and saying â âYeah but if you would only draw a trend line you would see youâre position is underwater and price is heading further against you in a strong wayââ¦
To which the PA trader responds â âI am a PA Traderâ
Why not let the academics define terms / ague meanings / assign labels â while we traders focus on applying whatever tool(s) â we deem necessary â toward making money the best way weâre able
End of Storyâ¦
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BM;
Let take that 20 EMAâ¦., or any MA/EMA for that matter â and see if we can put it to use
As for a definition â donât have one â donât need one â donât careâ¦.
As to what we can use it forâ¦..
We can use it as an MA / EMA â obviouslyâ¦
Meaning letâs pick a setting that characterizes/ defines the normal price movement of whatever weâre tradingâ¦
Then weâll know if whatever weâre trading â is or isnât acting normalâ¦.
If 20 works for ya great â if not change itâ¦
One important note though â if youâre using multiple time frames â make sure you use different settings (different on each chart that is) so your getting the same exact read amongst all your various charts â and obviously they should be in sync with your designated trading chart (Iâm assuming the 5 minute is your trading chart â but maybe not)
Multiple charts with conflicting information is not good
As to other usesâ¦
We can use it;
As a Trend line
As a S or R Line
To identify an over extended condition â which conversely happens to be an RTM approach
To identify emotion/ conviction â and/or the lack thereof
An MA/ EMA is pretty versatileâ¦and has its usesâ¦..
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On another note
We could discuss bars/ candles â as I find it amazing how much information they contain â but unfortunately Iâd be giving out some hard earned knowledge Iâd rather not share outrightâ¦
If however if you have specific questions â ask â and Iâll answer the best Iâm able.
And you have my word we wonât argue semantics
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Closing thought
What ever you decide to use/ place on your chart(s) in order to characterize price â it is vital you place it so price is able to freely show you its characterizationâ¦
Never place anything youâre using in such a way that you are trying to force price to appear the way you want
Granted my last two sentences are confusing â but eventually they will make sense â and itâs when they start making sense that price begins revealing its story
Always remember â price controls you â you will never control it
RN
When I started this thread, new to PA, a bunch of people recommended Al Brooks book. No one mentioned Wyckoff or Edward and Magee or Humphrey Neil or Vadym Graifer, they all recommended Al Brooks. Regardless if he is a purist or not, his ideas seemed to helped quite a few people. I believe he is worth reading. mr mark, Why are you resisting exploring his methods?
Purest PA traders say to not even look at price charts, just look at the order book, bid/ask. In their minds, price chart is TA and not pure PA.
good post RN
When I enter a momentum trade (based on news or a breakout through a major level), I don't even glance at the chart. I have previous S/R levels in my head and I follow the price action on the DOM and nothing else. I find this method to be a hindrance on any other type of setup, though, and prefer to set profit target zones based on the chart.