Price Action. Please clarify something for me

Quote from stephenszpak:

Hi

Does anyone use rolling bars in their charts?
I'm not sure if this is a real term or not. The idea
goes like this:

Why wait 5 minutes to see the next bar (candle) on
a chart? Have the chart update 5 minute bars (candles)
every minute. The first bar of the day would vary in time
from a 1 minute bar through to a 5 minute bar throughout
the day. So what you get is a 5 minute bar chart that is
totally valid at each minute.

(I've never had the opportunity to try this. If one generally
uses 5 minute bars for example, one might have to use
7 (8?) minute rolling bars to get the same effect, so to
speak...I just don't know.


So does anyone use these bars?

What is the correct term here?

More comments welcome.

(Checking out Ninja Trader software and their on-line
videos this weekend. Here throughout the weekend
if anyone wants to know.)

Regards,

Stephen Szpak

Just another distraction from making consistent profit from trading. The "establishment" strikes again.
 
Quote from ProfLogic:

Just another distraction from making consistent profit from trading. The "establishment" strikes again.

True. The "bar" is completely irrelevant. All that matters is the price flow. How one displays it has nothing to do with that flow.

The candles that so many people make so much of, for example, exist only in the time interval which is chosen to display them. Thus a parabolic move in one time interval becomes a "gravestone doji" in another.
 
Lamont C

Wrote:

True. The "bar" is completely irrelevant. All that matters is the price flow. How one displays it has nothing to do with that flow.
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The idea here is to catch a up (down) move as it begins.

When looking at a 5 minute chart for example,
haven't we all waited for a white candle before going long.
If that candle has gone to 60% of the upward move (I'm
just going to assume were looking at a sideways market)
then it's too late to safely enter. I suppose one could use
3 minute bars for a earlier confirmation, but I was wondering
about rolling bars here.

Thanks,

-Stephen
 
It would boil down to looking at a tick chart, or the lowest time interval, with the last 5 (or whatever roll time you wanted) being grouped/bunched together as one bar.

This would distort the moving averages and any other indicators i.e. how to calculate the moving average for the last (most immediate) data set?

Also won't be able to see any price distortions immediately, i.e. would have to wait for roll time to complete.
 
Quote from 1000:

It would boil down to looking at a tick chart, or the lowest time interval, with the last 5 (or whatever roll time you wanted) being grouped/bunched together as one bar.

This would distort the moving averages and any other indicators i.e. how to calculate the moving average for the last (most immediate) data set?

Also won't be able to see any price distortions immediately, i.e. would have to wait for roll time to complete.

1000

We don't understand each other. (Or I just don't understand
what you're saying.) The idea is to see valid 5 minute (or
whatever time period) bars updated on the minute.

Tick charts don't come up here.
Moving averages should not skew.

-Stephen
 
Quote from stephenszpak:

1000

We don't understand each other. (Or I just don't understand
what you're saying.) The idea is to see valid 5 minute (or
whatever time period) bars updated on the minute.

Tick charts don't come up here.
Moving averages should not skew.

-Stephen

If you had real time streaming data, with a 5minute interval, it would automatically update on a tick basis e.g. E-signal, or Bloomberg.
 
Stephen wrote:

Moving averages should not skew.
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That is, if one is using a 4 period simple
on 5 minute bars the moving average will
be invalid at the beginning of the trading
day. I guess after 20 minutes after the open
the average should be fine. (?)

-Stephen
 
Quote from 1000:

If you had real time streaming data, with a 5minute interval, it would automatically update on a tick basis e.g. E-signal, or Bloomberg.

Yes I know. But a 5 minute bar chart is only *totally* valid
after 5 minutes. 9:35 9:40 9:45 etc. We know this. I
think I'm having difficulty explaning myself in this idea.

-Stephen
 
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