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There was an answered thread a while back, where a trader
recommended a variation to a normal ratio spread. I'm vague on the details, but there were 3 calendar ratio pdf file strategies on his homepage with descriptons. The one spread I vagually remember, referenced going long at market price via 100 shares market,and buying a 3 month put ATM for protection. Once this married position was in place, a 6 month higher strike call with at least the same premium as our 3 month ATM, was sold to offset the put protection debit. Does this trader/website sound familiar to anyone? I appreciate the help
 
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This is a collar position.

There is noting special about the 3-month put or the 6-month call.

You can choose your own puts to buy and calls to write.

You may have an interest in the CBOE collar index (CLL) which tracks such a strategy for more than 21 years. I describe it here:

http://tinyurl.com/m5d4a3

Mark
 
If you go to the CBOE micro site you can find a table of the annual percentage changes of the CBOE 95-100 collar index, the SP buy Write index, S&P 500 index, S&P 2% OTM buy write index, and the CBOE put write index. If you add up the years here's how they fared:

S&P total return (1987-2007) +266%
S&P 2% OTM buy write index +248%
S&P put write index +247%
S&P buy write index +245%
and last but not least....
the CBOE 95-100 collar index +216%

It came in last from 2000-2007 with a cumulative return of 21%

It came in second to last from 1994-1999

Puts are insurance. Do you stand in front of a bullet? hell no.

But you are damn glad you have body armour on if you get hit.
I collared a position in MTB during the last bear market and it ended up a wash. I should have just got out of the position because the puts were too expensive. I think collars are overrated.

And for what its worth, if a collar is the equivalent of a put spread, and a put spread is a bull market strategy, maybe Im just thick , but it seems a bit contradictory to me...
 
I appreciate the info Mark, I went to the website for clarity on your suggestion. This clarity finally came as a result of your examples Tom. So thank you both.
 
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CBOE 95-100 collar index...

And for what its worth, if a collar is the equivalent of a put spread, and a put spread is a bull market strategy, maybe Im just thick , but it seems a bit contradictory to me...
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There is no disagreeing with what you say here. A collar (or put spread) has a bullish bias and does better in up markets.

But, sometimes perception alters reality. A conservative investor might like the idea of writing covered calls - equivalent to the BXM index.

But, he/she may also like the idea of paying for insurance. Hence adopt a BXM strategy, with a put.

Sure, we know the portfolio is now the collar index, but to this (not as informed as he/she should be) investor, it's a buy-write portfolio - but one that's insured.

A side note: I was unable to find anything on the CBOE 95-100 collar index. I believe you are referring to the 95-110 index.


The CBOE Collar index can be modified. There is no need to sell calls 10% OTM [that's what the 110 refers to: writing calls that are 10% OTM] when ATM or 5% provides additional cash, and would increase the return of the collar index. My point is that CLL does under perform, but can be constructed to do significantly better.

Mark
 
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... going long at market price via 100 shares market,and buying a 3 month put ATM for protection. Once this married position was in place, a 6 month higher strike call with at least the same premium as our 3 month ATM, was sold to offset the put protection debit.
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Is there an advantage to the long put being shorter term than the short call? Is this typically the way the strategy is done?
 
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