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Magna
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Your post/thread was removed because you were blatantly recruiting. We have a strict No Free Advertising/Recruiting policy which you violated. First part of your introductory post was looking to pay for a referral, second part told what the candidate would work on, where the work location would be, and how much the total compensation would be. Sorry, but that's unabashed recruiting. Similar to the way you started to do it again here with your opening sentence... where you could have easily asked why your post was removed without once again stating your offer.
Hey Magna, isn't this the guy who wanted to recruit on ET, and asked Baron where he could send a check?
Someone else posted that they wanted someone to take over their bloomberg contract - this isn't allowed either?
We have threads galore on "is XYZ product going to make me successful" and "are ABC gurus legitimate" - isn't this a form of free advertising? What about the wanabees selling their uninformed POV on trading to others. Or is it only wrong when money changes hands? (no idea why the site would want to block that rather than taking a commission for facilitating the bargain)
I'm not clear on either the rules of the policy or the rationale behind these rules, and would appreciate if you or Baron were inclined to clarify.
Someone else posted that they wanted someone to take over their bloomberg contract - this isn't allowed either?
We have threads galore on "is XYZ product going to make me successful" and "are ABC gurus legitimate" - isn't this a form of free advertising? What about the wanabees selling their uninformed POV on trading to others. Or is it only wrong when money changes hands? (no idea why the site would want to block that rather than taking a commission for facilitating the bargain)
I'm not clear on either the rules of the policy or the rationale behind these rules, and would appreciate if you or Baron were inclined to clarify.
@Magna I appreciate the sentiment and understand the reasoning behind keeping this sort of activity off ET in general. That being said, as a college student who would be interested in a job at a "real" prop firm in the future, I feel that allowing them to post job openings would be much more of a pro than a con. I know I'm not the only student with these aspirations on here as well. That being said, this sort of activity would have to be dealt with in an appropriate fashion. Nuclear Phynance has a Jobs section that is *poppin'* with prop shop and hedge fund job advertisements. They manage the chaos by only allowing members to view that board and having a "verified" status for job postings. Just something to consider. Undeniably, Nuclear Phynance is a different site with a different audience, but as a student, I wouldn't view the occasional job advert on ET as a con at all. I see a big difference in terms of value added to the ET community between advertising and recruiting.
Magna
Administrator
Sorry, there is no difference between advertising and recruiting and here's why. Over the years we have had, and continue to have, many advertisers/sponsors who pay hard-earned money to promote their products, services, provide tech support, and recruit for their firms. While you may like a freebie "occasional job advert" do you think advertisers/sponsors want to see others come here and freely promote themselves and run recruitment ads? I'm sure if you were on the paying side of things the freebie idea for other people would suddenly make no sense whatsoever and, in fact, be quite offensive to you.
How about this. In exchange for being able to post job offers, in the future I'll pay ET $5K for anyone I hire from here.
My ad was up for just a few days and I'll probably take 3 of the people who responded. Paying out $75K into the ET community. I don't see this as a bad thing.
The 'lurkers' here have been an extremely valuable resource to me as I suspect they are to other people. It would be good to somehow monetize the large number of sophisticated traders here who never post.
My ad was up for just a few days and I'll probably take 3 of the people who responded. Paying out $75K into the ET community. I don't see this as a bad thing.
The 'lurkers' here have been an extremely valuable resource to me as I suspect they are to other people. It would be good to somehow monetize the large number of sophisticated traders here who never post.
Heck, why you're publicly discussing this...what's wrong with talking privately with Baron (not the moderator Magna) directly considering this is his forum and he sets the rates. I'm under the impression Magna is just the top dog moderator but doesn't make any financial decisions about the forum.
Simply, this is something you should have done right out of the gate (private discussion with Baron) considering its a business proposition and knowing this is a sponsorship forum. In other words, you don't want to be stepping on the toes of other sponsors that's paying Baron for the privilege to do what you had been doing freely.
Every sponsor forum I know, they all are like this...they want folks to pay to advertise, market or recruit instead of debating (negotiate) about such after the fact and publicly.
P.S. I'm curious if Magna gave you Baron's contact info involving you becoming a sponsor of ET after deletion of your recruiting (advertising) message post.
Simply, this is something you should have done right out of the gate (private discussion with Baron) considering its a business proposition and knowing this is a sponsorship forum. In other words, you don't want to be stepping on the toes of other sponsors that's paying Baron for the privilege to do what you had been doing freely.
Every sponsor forum I know, they all are like this...they want folks to pay to advertise, market or recruit instead of debating (negotiate) about such after the fact and publicly.
P.S. I'm curious if Magna gave you Baron's contact info involving you becoming a sponsor of ET after deletion of your recruiting (advertising) message post.
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Magna
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Mark, I agree with your main point that if garachen was serious about recruiting he should have privately discussed the possibility with Baron at which time they would have gone over various requirements, costs, etc.
As to your P.S. curiosity the simple answer is no, I did not message garachen nor give him any contact info for Baron. Reason being he has been a member at ET since 2007 so he knows the rules and since I had not seen him previously make "help wanted" type posts I figured it was a one-off, and when he saw it removed he would understand why (judging by his opening post in this thread I was obviously wrong in that regard). Besides, as I said if he were serious about paying to recruit then contacting Baron is as easy as clicking his name on any of his posts and then click "Start Private Thread". And, of course, if he was interested in rates prior to contacting Baron then near the bottom right of every single page is links to "Contact" and "Advertise".