Possible shake-up by market makers

This day was candy .
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we alerted the bull early last night, if you were lucky enough to see my missive

missive, thats your word power for the day
 
TheDawn said:
Look at how flat the prices are from 11:00 AM to 14:30 and then it slowly crept up
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I thought the market's highpoint would be at around 10:15 ...then it would more or less hover around there for the day. But oh well, close enough,
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SPX prices off the future and there is very little retail and no retail payment. A ton of liquidity is SPX related products so difficult to manipulate. The one product you an trade upstairs and clear OCC. Most days the biggest O.I. trades upstairs. Hidden liquidity can be seen - you'd had to add it to PRO feed or buy the private feed and much of the trading is non electronic. The Floor Brokers hold much of the potential trading and if anyone has a sense - short term - it would be a FB representing some of the larger desks.
 
MacBookProHo said:
You're telling me....the 'market makers/wholesalers' Moved...the Entire broad market up, the SPX, just to poke at the retail traders who are short? You are paranoid,

Would you still make this complaint inquiry....if you made $50 today, 500, 5,000....50,000....,500,000, Learn to make money, not make complaints
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You are wasting your time explaining to someone who doesn't understand or wish to understand the role of market makers. Co's like citadel and virtu provide liquidity and narrow the spreads. If they don't get paid the spread will widen just as they are in the OTC. You think there is going to be penny spreads if there is no payment for order flows. volume will dry preciptiously.. People like you complain about HFT. They have better tools than you. Then people suggest there should be speed bumps to slow them down. It is life. Develop a niche where you are better off than others. remember when you want to close a position you are better off than a financial institution. Your market order is absorbed with no change in price. A financial institution has to work the order and may have to accept a less favorable price.

"Learn to make money, not make complaints."
 
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TheDawn said:
You missed my point. My point is seeing how the market moved today made me suspicious of the market manipulation games that the MM/wholesalers could be playing especially when they know all of the retail traders' positions under the payment for orderflow arrangement.
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Every one can see those orders, the only question is if MM will go after them..
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Last Friday was due to Triple Witching. Maybe this week is due to single witching (weekly options). BTW 14 points is hardly anything to be wowed about. That's less than 0.5%.
 
schizo said:
hardly anything to be wowed about. That's less than 0.5%.
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Those tiny daily market % moves....are Huge, if you trade options, leverage products.

On the basic, top, surface you see.... a half a percent move, nothing to get erected about. But with options, that move is so much greater, grander, bolder, and magnified.

Trading basic stock is akin to playing with Sparklers, but with options...it's more of a gallon of gasoline or TNT dynamite.
 
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