Possible Election Fraud in Progress

BeautifulStranger said:
The linked source has been publishing since the 1920s and has established a certain level of credibility. I highly doubt they would throw away their credibility on something that is so easily refuted.

Compare to the linked source below. Zerohedge does not have a great reputation. While the underlying source for their story has not established their reputation as far as I know, it does not necessarily mean the information they are presenting is not accurate. In addition, with the mainstream media effectively blacking out the 2020 Presidential Election Fraud Scandal, out of necessity, non mainstream news sources gain prominence. Further, these alternative sources often have better reputations then online bloggers whose counterarguments often consist of ad hominem attacks or unsupported, generalized statements like yours, that I’ve quoted above.

Electronic voting according to multiple credible electionic voting experts is not secure, in spite of mainstream media wanting to try to convince us otherwise. In the extensive number of links provided in this and other threads, there have been interviews of electronic voting experts that discuss prior election fraud using electronic voting in 2018 and official government taskforces that sought to remedy the vulnerability of our voting systems. Some details of this effort are also on Whitehouse.gov.

Approximately half the US voters seem to believe the 2020 US Presidential elections were not free and fair. The unanswered questions concerning indications of election fraud, the continued lack of transparency, the established violation of various election laws, and the difficulty to get a lower court to hear the testimony of witnesses who signed affidavits under penalty of purjury, who included electronic voting system experts, poll watchers, and election officials, some of whom have been employed in maintaining the integrity of elections for decades.

Media and certain election officials have embarked on an effort to intimidate attorneys associated with the Trump campaign or election workers who would not condone the violation of election law.

It is hard to evaluate where the preponderence of evidence stands, but certainly there is sufficient cause to hear it. Until that happens, many will consider this election as illegitimate.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/strange-coincidences-should-deeply-bother-everyone-trying-put-puzzle-pieces-together?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+zerohedge/feed+(zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline,+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero)
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They were not secure in 2016 either, where was the whining then? Do you see the pattern here?
 
exGOPer said:
They were not secure in 2016 either, where was the whining then? Do you see the pattern here?
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Now that, my friend, is a good point. However, it still does not address current and specific concerns over election fraud.

I will admit to not having complete confidence that election changing fraud has occured. Part of it is related to the association of some sources of information to parties that have credibility issues. Another part is the seeming inability of Trump campaign attorneys to be able to “Shame” a court into hearing their case because of the quality of their case, including evidence,
and legal reasoning, of course. It is this basis that I will accept and support Biden as our President if he receives at least 270 votes during the upcoming electoral college.

The commentary below is from a former Nevada district attorney:

In part,

“This disaster was painfully easy to predict — and was indeed predicted. As state co-chair of President Donald Trump’s campaign, I’ve been on the front lines of the effort to expose the chronic problems in Nevada’s election system. I’ve issued numerous public warnings that our ability to hold a secure election was in grave doubt.”.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opini...-count-2185695/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 
BeautifulStranger said:
Approximately half the US voters seem to believe the 2020 US Presidential elections were not free and fair.
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Now it's time to point out something you have in common with some of Trump's lawyers. You post bs frequently that just isn't true to supposedly support your theories. Nowhere near half of Americans think what you have claimed. Not even close. You are part of a small, loud minority that believe all this shit. A highly irrational group at that. Go ahead, show me what led you to make this statement, other then your emotions.
 
BeautifulStranger said:
Now that, my friend, is a good point. However, it still does not address current and specific concerns over election fraud.

I will admit to not having complete confidence that election changing fraud has occured. Part of it is related to the association of some sources of information to parties that have credibility issues. Another part is the seeming inability of Trump campaign attorneys to be able to “Shame” a court into hearing their case because of the quality of their case, including evidence,
and legal reasoning, of course. It is this basis that I will accept and support Biden as our President if he receives at least 270 votes during the upcoming electoral college.

The commentary below is from a former Nevada district attorney:

In part,

“This disaster was painfully easy to predict — and was indeed predicted. As state co-chair of President Donald Trump’s campaign, I’ve been on the front lines of the effort to expose the chronic problems in Nevada’s election system. I’ve issued numerous public warnings that our ability to hold a secure election was in grave doubt.”.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opini...-count-2185695/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Trump sycophants run the DOJ and FBI

Trump judicial appointees are everywhere.

And yet, not a single case of proven fraud but you keep saying there is lot of fraud. Edited documents, youtube clips and Trump supporters with bizarre affidavits is your evidence.

Nothing but theories and conspiracies that we have heard for 4 years.
 
Nine_Ender said:
Now it's time to point out something you have in common with some of Trump's lawyers. You post bs frequently that just isn't true to supposedly support your theories. Nowhere near half of Americans think what you have claimed. Not even close. You are part of a small, loud minority that believe all this shit. A highly irrational group at that. Go ahead, show me what led you to make this statement, other then your emotions.
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The following are several articles discussing voters perceptions as well as additional evidence of other impropriety by Democrats in the 2020 US Presidential Election:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...illions_dont_believe_trump_lost_144744.html#2
Excuse me if I’ve posted the above article before, but it seems some on this site merely react in instead of read.



Indictions of ongoing issues in Georgia:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news...ting-voter-registration-group-run-by-warnock/



Even more issues in Georgia, with reporting from a mainstream news organization this time:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-secretary-of-state-fulton-county-recount-dysfunction



Recent update involving Wisconsin:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-wisconsin-lawsuit-absentee-voting
 
exGOPer said:
Trump sycophants run the DOJ and FBI

Trump judicial appointees are everywhere.

And yet, not a single case of proven fraud but you keep saying there is lot of fraud. Edited documents, youtube clips and Trump supporters with bizarre affidavits is your evidence.

Nothing but theories and conspiracies that we have heard for 4 years.
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To actually prove fraud, you need to have a trial, where evidence is validated and presented, witnesses give testimony and are cross examined, legal arguments made, and a judge rules accordingly to the preponderence of evidence, as in a civil based, election related, trial.

Could the fear of the Trump campaign presenting a preponderence of evidence indicating election fraud and requiring appropriate relief be the real reason why various courts will not allow credible witnesses to be heard? Or is it just imcompetence or sabotage by Trump attorneys? The indications of election fraud are there. The real reason why witnesses are not allowed to be heard in court are less clear. Whatever is truly going on, until the indications of election fraud are addressed, this election will remain tainted and massive distrust of Democrats by non Democrats will remain at highest possible levels, possiblly creating low tolerance or even serious “Civil disobedience” issues with unpopular Biden policies.

Seems to me, the best course of action is to let these witnesses be heard in open court and let the chips fall as they may, even it if ultimately results in another 4 years of Trump. Of course, should the Trump Campaign fail to prove their case, the credibility of Democrats increases and Biden would able to be a more effective President with a more unified populace. Isn’t this worth the effort for some transparency? Or is transparency something to be feared by Democrats?
 
BeautifulStranger said:
To actually prove fraud, you need to have a trial, where evidence is validated and presented, witnesses give testimony and are cross examined, legal arguments made, and a judge rules accordingly to the preponderence of evidence, as in a civil based, election related, trial.

Could the fear of the Trump campaign presenting a preponderence of evidence indicating election fraud and requiring appropriate relief be the real reason why various courts will not allow credible witnesses to be heard? Or is it just imcompetence or sabotage by Trump attorneys? The indications of election fraud are there. The real reason why witnesses are not allowed to be heard in court are less clear. Whatever is truly going on, until the indications of election fraud are addressed, this election will remain tainted and massive distrust of Democrats by non Democrats will remain at highest possible levels, possiblly creating low tolerance or even serious “Civil disobedience” issues with unpopular Biden policies.

Seems to me, the best course of action is to let these witnesses be heard in open court and let the chips fall as they may, even it if ultimately results in another 4 years of Trump. Of course, should the Trump Campaign fail to prove their case, the credibility of Democrats increases and Biden would able to be a more effective President with a more unified populace. Isn’t this worth the effort for some transparency? Or is transparency something to be feared by Democrats?
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...d-block-election-certification-georgia-438563
 

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