Position sizing

What is your position on investment entry?

  • My initial investment on every trade is the same amount.

    Votes: 16 28.6%
  • My initial investment to enter a trade is always different.

    Votes: 23 41.1%
  • My initial investment is the same and so is the $ position size increase.

    Votes: 7 12.5%
  • My initial investment is the same but the $ position size increaseis different.

    Votes: 10 17.9%

  • Total voters
    56
Quote from LondonUSTrader:

I wasn't going to post on this thread again. The reason being when dealing with people like Mschey you have to understand he is always right. And the more you respond critically the more he will escalate the personal attacks.

A couple of observations about that individual:
(1) He claims he is an expert. This is based on 5 years full-time trading. In my view, your first five years full-time trading you are still learning. Once you have been doing it for 10+ years then you can claim to be an expert.
(2) He claims that he is walking the walk and everyone else doesn't really trade or is a loser if they happen to disagree with him. However, I haven't seen him post an account statement to prove this assertion yet. Not that is usually necessary, but it might help his claims of "elite trader".
(3) He consistently attacks other people in a personal manner if they happen to disagree with his image of what a successful trader should do.
(4) It is my impression that he is rather arrogant and egotistical. He wants to be an elite trader. He wants to enter purely ego driven events like the World Championship to prove himself and to be acknowledged as a master trader. As a side note, to win these sorts of competitions you normally have to take a very high degree of risk.
(5) He makes wild assumptions based on no evidence.

No doubt this will engender another personal attack on what a loser I am.

I just wanted to thank you Holygrail for your posts. It is nice to know that someone can understand my posts without misinterpreting everything I say.

It is my experience that the best traders are usually the most humble, relaxed and decent people. They don't have a need to be acknowledged as the best trader or to prove themselves because their results speak for themselves. They are open to other points of view as they got to where they are through their mental flexibility and observation skills amongst other things. On ET, OldTrader and B1S2 come to mind. They also don't make personal attacks on others who happen to disagree with their way of thinking.

Please don't get me wrong. This is not a personal attack on Mschey. What he says may have some value to others. Myself, I tire easily of impolite people who attack others for having a different view.

I can't claim to be an expert trader. I trade the ES everyday and have another system which I am still working on that trades multiple futures markets. As a futures trader, my main priority is long term survival so yes managing my downside risk is more important than maximising my upside through being overly aggressive. To me any loss bigger than 2% of my net equity is unacceptable. I very much agree with B1S2's comments on risk management and I approach money management in a similar fashion. If you trade futures consistently everyday, which few can do, the upside takes care of itself.

What I do works well for me and I am happy with my results and my current stage of development.

I wish everyone success in this hard business. You need to think a lot, observe much and not listen to the naysayers of which there will be plenty.


Gotta call bullshit when i see it. So here goes. It doesn't take time in years to become an expert...it requires one to put in applied study and effort.

There is a thread on ET, where traders can and do share there results. Trader P&L 2006. I have made quite a few posts on there, winning days and losing days. Take a look for yourself and decide whether or not I walk the walk. Few traders can say they made $1 million in trading profits, I am one of the few who can.

I attack those offering bad advice, vendors, and those who can't walk the walk. In my opinion, you have no business offering advice to newby traders. If you don't like it....who cares!

I didn't attack you, I made an observation in your post, pointed out two beleifs that I believe are in conflict with becoming a successful trader. Take the constructive criticism and quite acting like a baby. You do have a losers mentality, and you won't achieve the level of success you want to achieve until you deal with it.

If i put up 15k to try and win a trading championship and I lose 15k is it really a big deal? Is that really alot of money to be risking? Perhaps for some, for me...NO! Reviewing the documents, I have found that they charge $20 commission per contract which is high....really high. If they aren't willing to rebate back the difference after the contest is over, I doubt if I will participate.

As I've said, I made two observations in your post, and drew a conclusion. Hell in real world trading, that's more then enough evidence to take a trade.

I don't attack people for having a different point of view...you and holy grail have no business offering advice on how to trade, and or manage positions/ or risk. Nor do you have a qualified opinion when it comes to evaluating my results. When you guys manage to string together a few years of profitable trading, then you'll have earned the right to advise, and my respect. Until then...worry about your own trading.
 
Quote from mschey:

Seriously...do you ever feel bad about giving trading advice when you can't walk the walk yourself?

Take this guy Ryan Jones...he writes a book, then starts a mentorship program to teach traders how to manage money. Every sales call I've heard from this guy he mentions the fact that he took an account from 10k up to and over 100k in three months. Pretty impressive....what you don't hear is the fact that he lost it all and the account was closed with 1k in profits.

I am tired of those who can't, acting and talking like they can, and offering bad advice, and fleecing unsuspecting people out of there hard earned money.

There you go again making more assumptions. I can't walk the walk? And you know this based on all of your psycho-analyzing abilities?

As far as I'm concerned when you have to continually tell people how good you are there is a great likelyhood you are just trying to convince yourself of it more than anything else.

I wish you every success.
 
Quote from mschey:

I didn't attack you, I made an observation in your post, pointed out two beleifs that I believe are in conflict with becoming a successful trader. Take the constructive criticism and quite acting like a baby. You do have a losers mentality, and you won't achieve the level of success you want to achieve until you deal with it.

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Again the arrogance. Everyone is a loser if they don't trade like you. I can't believe you cannot see your own arrogance. I guess if we look for a definition of "successful trader" it will say "a person who does not have a losers mentality as defined by mschey".

I checked, but so far I didn't see your name in the definition. Let me know when it appears, OK?

Nighty Night. Don't let the ego bugs bite.
 
Quote from HolyGrail:

There you go again making more assumptions. I can't walk the walk? And you know this based on all of your psycho-analyzing abilities?

As far as I'm concerned when you have to continually tell people how good you are there is a great likelyhood you are just trying to convince yourself of it more than anything else.

I wish you every success.


You are more than welcome to join us the Trader P&L 2006 thread....a chance for you to earn respect, and show the trading community that you've got what it takes.

Even if you are a marginally profitable trader, it's still inspiring to some of the newby's out there
 
Quote from HolyGrail:

Again the arrogance. Everyone is a loser if they don't trade like you. I can't believe you cannot see your own arrogance. I guess if we look for a definition of "successful trader" it will say "a person who does not have a losers mentality as defined by mschey".

I checked, but so far I didn't see your name in the definition. Let me know when it appears, OK?

Nighty Night. Don't let the ego bugs bite.

Good night to you...go and compare cocks with your buddy...londontrader...be careful those brits tend to have bad teeth and I wouldn't want him to scrape your nub! :D
 
Quote from mschey:

You are more than welcome to join us the Trader P&L 2006 thread....a chance for you to earn respect, and show the trading community that you've got what it takes.

Even if you are a marginally profitable trader, it's still inspiring to some of the newby's out there

Hmmm, now why would your respect or anyone's for that matter be important to me? I'm not into ego building, and I am not a day trader. I'm a successful position trader who came to this board to learn about various aspects of day trading. I am in the process of selling my business and I will need something to occupy my time. I love trading and would do it whether I was profitable or not because it challenges me. I have enough money where I can just put my money in bonds and live very comfortably for the rest of my life, but then I would have nothing to challenge me. Trading keeps your mind sharp.
 
Quote from mschey:

Gotta call bullshit when i see it. So here goes. It doesn't take time in years to become an expert...it requires one to put in applied study and effort.

There is a thread on ET, where traders can and do share there results. Trader P&L 2006. I have made quite a few posts on there, winning days and losing days. Take a look for yourself and decide whether or not I walk the walk. Few traders can say they made $1 million in trading profits, I am one of the few who can.

I attack those offering bad advice, vendors, and those who can't walk the walk. In my opinion, you have no business offering advice to newby traders. If you don't like it....who cares!

I didn't attack you, I made an observation in your post, pointed out two beleifs that I believe are in conflict with becoming a successful trader. Take the constructive criticism and quite acting like a baby. You do have a losers mentality, and you won't achieve the level of success you want to achieve until you deal with it.

If i put up 15k to try and win a trading championship and I lose 15k is it really a big deal? Is that really alot of money to be risking? Perhaps for some, for me...NO! Reviewing the documents, I have found that they charge $20 commission per contract which is high....really high. If they aren't willing to rebate back the difference after the contest is over, I doubt if I will participate.

As I've said, I made two observations in your post, and drew a conclusion. Hell in real world trading, that's more then enough evidence to take a trade.

I don't attack people for having a different point of view...you and holy grail have no business offering advice on how to trade, and or manage positions/ or risk. Nor do you have a qualified opinion when it comes to evaluating my results. When you guys manage to string together a few years of profitable trading, then you'll have earned the right to advise, and my respect. Until then...worry about your own trading.

ET is a forum whereby people give opinions on trading (or had you missed that?). I didn't realise the self appointed God of Trading, MSchey, had to approve people before they could post an opinion on trading? Whether my opinion is good or bad is not for me to judge, but for the readers to make their own conclusions.

You don't have a qualified opinion to have an opinion on my trading abilities. You make assumption based on your own belief system with no evidence at all from the real world.

I disagree with you. Everyone deserves respect unless they prove otherwise. Politeness doesn't cost anything.
 
Quote from ElectricSavant:

ok fellah's

I got to go...or I will need to ban myself...

Thanks for the stimulating conversation and Thanks Trish for the thread and the poll...


My pleasure E.S.
What I am learning on this thread will hopefully sink in at some point. You are all so far ahead of me! Your comments are appreciated as well as all the others' comments.....
except the penis parts.
 
Quote from HolyGrail:

Hmmm, now why would your respect or anyone's for that matter be important to me? I'm not into ego building, and I am not a day trader. I'm a successful position trader who came to this board to learn about various aspects of day trading. I am in the process of selling my business and I will need something to occupy my time. I love trading and would do it whether I was profitable or not because it challenges me. I have enough money where I can just put my money in bonds and live very comfortably for the rest of my life, but then I would have nothing to challenge me. Trading keeps your mind sharp.

So, like so many, you want to receive...but not give anything in return. Kind of expected that from you.

Please...you trade to make money....if you trade and don't make money but continue to do it and continue to lose...then you have a very serious problem.

With all of that money, I'd be happy to facilitate your gambling addiction, could I be your bookie?
 
Quote from LondonUSTrader:

ET is a forum whereby people give opinions on trading (or had you missed that?). I didn't realise the self appointed God of Trading, MSchey, had to approve people before they could post an opinion on trading? Whether my opinion is good or bad is not for me to judge, but for the readers to make their own conclusions.

You don't have a qualified opinion to have an opinion on my trading abilities. You make assumption based on your own belief system with no evidence at all from the real world.

I disagree with you. Everyone deserves respect unless they prove otherwise. Politeness doesn't cost anything.


Respect is earned!

I ask again, do you feel bad about giving advice on how to do something you can't do yourself?

I know...I know...asked and answered. You think it's the obligation of the original thread starter to figure out that you and holy grail are full of crap.

Good thing I was here to point that out!
 
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