Ehh same socialist bla bla like in every other discussion of that kind. Thanks to those "crappy aspects" you have whole modern world that is around you. You like it or not. And the truth is that countries with minimal taxes and a lot of freedom were the fastest growing countries and are the fastest growing countries now. Slavery and other things like that were also the result of a different kind of thinking that is much changed now. As the technology is changed. You have countries with low taxes now - do you see slavery in those ? About Somalia typical leftie "pick up argument" - why you didn't pick up Singapore, Estonia, Romania, Georgia, Malta, UAE, Switzerland ? or many other like those ? Let's talk about those
So first off, "same socialist bla bla" is a three year old level argument, surely you can do better than that?
But let's talk about those places. First off, they together represent what, 3% of the world's GDP? And seriously, Singapore, the place where it's illegal to sell chewing gum, that kind of low regulation? UAE, where the internet is heavily censored, you can spend the rest of your life in jail for saying the wrong thing, and having sex with anyone but your wife is illegal.... that kind of low regulation? Have you ever actually been to or even read about any of these places, or you've got to be joking, right? Georgia, with a GDP per capita of $4,300, that's your idea of low tax results? I spent the summer in Romania, the countryside was gorgeous but the 19% VAT sure didn't seem like low taxes to me and those I spoke to didn't seem terribly bullish on their country as a shining city on the hill for starting new businesses. And then there's good old Somalia, which actually does have exactly the things you seek, no taxes and no government, but you can't provide a good reason why you don't want to talk about that; what does "typical leftie "pick up argument"" even mean and what logic does it represent?
I can't imagine a more asinine argument than the idea that we should go back to the way things were 200 years ago because growth was higher then. First off, it wasn't higher. Western Europe's GDP per capita grew from $2,307 in 1820 to $5135 in 1920, a growth of $2828 or 122%. In the next 100 years it grew to $40,000, a growth of 679%! The impact in the U.S./Canada/Australia was even more dramatic.
As you can clearly see from the chart, as we increased the the dreaded taxes, regulation, and social the rate of growth actually dramatically increased. So yeah, the opposite of what you said. All the more remarkable because it's much harder to achieve even the same year on year percentage growth as you get bigger.....my little company has blown away Google and Apple in year over year growth for the past 5 years, but that was a whole lot easier for me to accomplish than them and certainly doesn't mean I have a better way of doing things than they do. I would actually hope that places like Romania had dramatically higher growth rates than the rest of Western Europe and the U.S. because they come from a tiny base to start with, but they're actually bouncing around the same rate as the rest of Europe.
That's what we call an actual discussion with actual data and actual arguments. Notice the lack of any sophomoric references, no "bla bla" dismissals, just actual refutation of what you incorrectly claimed. If you'd like to continue with an adult level discussion like this, happy to do so. What you've come up with so far though, it's just embarrassing for you.
