Pope implicated in covering up sex abuse:

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

And if you did not have free will and you were offered a taste of it you would go for it.. You are a free thinker are you not. Your argument has been made for a few thousand years. It was dealt with at the beginning of the bible in the story of adam and eve.

Whether you believe God authored the bible or not - you have to be impressed with the fact the creation account addressed your very challenge right off the bat. it was at least philosophical genius --- was it not?

Man had a choice Gods protection or knowledge of Good and evil and the freedom to choose.

What would you have picked free thinker?

jem. your mind is really infected. you worship and defend a god that allows evil free will but the victims of evil no protection. how do people like you rationalize such nonsense?

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

It makes you wonder who the hell is running the place? Well perhaps you should be wondering why the hell you would follow those who are running the place until the law stops them and you.

You're certainly not good at following an argument though.

your certainly not good at making factual ones.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Gabfly1:

Yeah, you tell that dilettante Stephen Hawking what's what.

Hawking has stated that he is "not religious in the normal sense" and he believes that "the universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws."

Stephen Hawking has said, in his writings, "the actual point of creation lies outside the scope of presently known laws of physics," and a less well-known but very distinguished cosmologist, Professor Alan Guth from MIT, says the "instant of creation remains unexplained."

 

[jem]

Quote from Gabfly1:

Yeah, you tell that dilettante Stephen Hawking what's what.

Stephen Hawking's recent arguments have been a response to the growig understanding that our universe looks designed .. I do not need to tell him, he knows.

 

[jem]

Quote from Free Thinker:

jem. your mind is really infected. you worship and defend a god that allows evil free will but the victims of evil no protection. how do people like you rationalize such nonsense?

you keep coming back to your same argument. You may not like the fact there is evil in the world. But that does not mean that God could not have allowed free will to reign on earth.

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

your certainly not good at making factual ones.

That's exactly what the Vatican said in reply to peoples' arguments for something to be done against catholic child abuse cover ups.

Although they may have taken to trouble to learn how to say you're

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

you keep coming back to your same argument. You may not like the fact there is evil in the world. But that does not mean that God could not have allowed free will to reign on earth.

As a Catholic you will now always be a member of a Church and an organization which at it's very heart was condoning pedophilia and hiding the practice of international child sex abuse by its hierarchy.

God or no God in my view no decent person would want to be associated in any way with that.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

you keep coming back to your same argument. You may not like the fact there is evil in the world. But that does not mean that God could not have allowed free will to reign on earth.

actually you are correct. if you god exists he could have set up a system where evil has free will but the victims of evil have no protection. the question would still remain. why would an educated man,such as yourself, defend and worship such a being?

we sent the us military and have spent 8 years and trillions of dollars to eliminate the evil of sadam hussan and he was a saint next to the evil your god seems to approve of.

 

[Dragons Teeth]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

These crimes are being done by the same homosexuals you let run free in your cities and act as if they are normal, fighting for their "rights".

Dont think that this is a Catholic thing with young boys being molested. Its not...its a homosexual thing as they are molesting boys in every walk of life, from churches to schools.

I dont get why so many of you accept their lifestyle when you know they are f**ked in the head with their sexual preferences. If someone has a sexual perversion...you dont let them around your children.

It seems the priesthood is the child molester’s career of choice, as their involvement in child sex crimes seems disproportionately high these days. None of my gay pals are Catholic so the I have never been able to pose the question; does service to the Catholic church attract young gay men?

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

As a Catholic you will now always be a member of a Church and an organization which at it's very heart was condoning pedophilia and hiding the practice of international child sex abuse by its hierarchy.

God or no God in my view no decent person would want to be associated in any way with that.

If you notice -- in many if not all my posts in recent years if I talked about being Catholic I stated I grew up Catholic and attend Catholic church. ( I also attend other churches at times.)

I go to church in a Catholic Church because only the Catholics and Orthodox churches have the type of Communion Jesus speaks of in John chapter 6.

However, if I confirm that this Pope was part of the cover up, I will look to go to other Catholic or Orthodox churches until this bunch criminals is dealt with properly.