Pope Francis says there is no Hell

[Slartibartfast]

The care is mediocre according to WHO. Certainly substandard by the standard set by the other industrialized countries. (anecdotes have no bearing here, only what is true on average) We can not separate health insurance from health care. Only by paying a large amount spread out over a lifetime can anyone, other than the very wealthy of course, outside the U.S. Welfare System afford U.S. health care. Without insurance, we are all just one major health calamity away from bankruptcy. If there is a Hell, this is it.

I'm pretty sure the Rwandan genocide was worse but I know what you mean, even then over time the US numbers of citizens dying horribly have been millions for sure. A close friend of mine with a young family, relatively well off but had just spent everything on a house, had his chemo interrupted significantly due to his insurance thinking they had found a loophole. He died in 2008 just a year after diagnosis. He may have died anyway but one can be certain, the gap in treatment and months of anger did not help.

Knowing better now, I'd have said get your ass to Mexico or Colombia and just pay cash for the treatment but he was idealistic. I recall too well when he rang me in Ireland after coming home from his congressman who said he could do nothing however 'he would include him in his prayers'.. FFS.

 

[Poindexter]

Oh oh, he has gone quiet... again...

This happens when Poindexter gets stumped. In typical DK sufferer fashion he will not reply for a day hoping the conversation will move on and he does not have to support his thesis.

A lie believed for an hour has done it's work etc., that is his whole M.O. It is just about a little shot of endorphins as with many trolls.

Bold added.

Hi again paper trader! Here's a reality check: I have a real life. Unlike you, with your phony online personna that you need to defend every second of the day.

I have no intention of going back and forth with you for hours about what's crystal clear to anyone who really trades:
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...-gun-rights-policy.319461/page-3#post-4630497

And far from "hoping the conversation will move on" I'll bring it up every now and then just to remind people. So get a cup in case you have to pee and keep hitting the refresh button 24/7 for my next post.

Have a nice day!

 

[Poindexter]

The Pope is wrong. He obviously hasn't been involved with the U.S. Healthcare system .

Maybe you'd have better healthcare if you'd done better in life. Or maybe you should become a Canadian citizen and move there if you think it sucks so much here.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Hi again paper trader! Here's a reality check: I have a real life. Unlike you, with your phony online personna that you need to defend every second of the day.

I have no intention of going back and forth with you for hours about what's crystal clear to anyone who really trades:
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...-gun-rights-policy.319461/page-3#post-4630497

And far from "hoping the conversation will move on" I'll bring it up every now and then just to remind people. So get a cup in case you have to pee and keep hitting the refresh button 24/7 for my next post.

Have a nice day!

I am working since 7am, real traders do this (data work), soon to make dinner though.

But you are not a trader so how can you know what is crystal clear or not? I won't let you squirm away on this, there is no bluff to call but yours sweetie.

Any real trader can see your Dunning Krugerismo is truly awesome.

You prove it or you block me but you are my pawn.

Just show what is blindingly obvious. This was the first days of the Trump correction, anyone with a monthly chart saw that a mile off.

I wait with baited breath.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Maybe you'd have better healthcare if you'd done better in life. Or maybe you should become a Canadian citizen and move there if you think it sucks so much here.

I think I see now why you support the GOP who pissed on the ashes of your alleged people with Arthur Jones. Most elected Jews in government are Democrats because of the beyond obvious anti-Semitic double-think in the Republican party. The Jews are dirty (Christ killers, makes little sense but anyway) to them however they need Israel for the whole second coming prophecy. They want to be on the front of the rapture queue. Most Jews are smart enough to see this.

Your kind of ultra-shithead Jew, your man-crush Stephen Miller etc. who like you don't care about the Holocaust, if they had "done better in life", they would not have burned in the ovens; that is how you feel, ashamed at how weak they were. In your mind, you would have lived. etc.

This is all just your DK effect.

 

[Good1]

If there is no hell then logic would say there is no heaven.

Not necessarily. Depends on what hell is. If hell constitutes everything that is not true, doesn't mean there is no truth. If hell is all that is imaginary, doesn't rule out a reality. If hell doesn't exist, doesn't mean something does.

 

[jem]

The Who rankings give 60% of the weight to distribution equality and cost.
Studies like those are not simply evaluating the quality of care. With that kind of weighting you can make any serious determination regarding the quality of care. As I said the quality of our doctors and nurses and tech and drugs is the best or one of the best in the world in just about every typical category. its oru insurance system that sucks.

Plus a country can "cheat" the rankings and having better outcomes by just not attempting to save premature babies, old people and sick people.

Look at the countries on the list. I have been to more than half of them. If you were in a car a life threating accident would you really rather be in these 34 countries over the US? Seriously this study is not meant to be an evaluation of the actual medical its more about the insurance or govt payer system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

France 3 12 6 4 4 1

Italy 6 14 11 11 3 2
San Marino 11 9 21 21 5 3

Andorra 10 25 17 23 7 4

Malta 21 38 31 37 2 5
Singapore 30 29 27 38 14 6
Spain 5 11 19 24 6 7
Oman 72 59 59 62 1 8
Austria 17 8 10 6 15 9
Japan 1 3 1 13 9 10

Norway 15 4 3 16 18 11
Portugal 29 34 32 28 13 12

Monaco 9 30 18 12 12 13
Greece 7 6 23 30 11 14
Iceland 19 24 16 14 27 15

Luxembourg 18 22 5 5 31 16
Netherlands 13 15 8 9 19 17
United Kingdom 14 2 9 26 24 18
Ireland 27 13 25 25 32 19
Switzerland 8 10 2 2 26 20
belgium
colombia
sweeden
cyprus
germany
saudi arabia
UAE
Isreal
Morroco
Canada
finland
austrailia
chile
denmark
dominica
costa rica


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_200

"The rankings are based on an index of five factors:[2]

• Health (50%) : disability-adjusted life expectancy
  • Overall or average : 15%
  • Distribution or equality : 35%
• Responsiveness (25%) : speed of service, protection of privacy, and quality of amenities
  • Overall or average : 12.5%
  • Distribution or equality : 12.5%
• Fair financial contribution : 25%"

2. I also point out that the US gets dinged in leftists studies for attempting extraordinary care for people that other countries just let die.
For instance in those types of studies the US is heavily downgraded because we have the technology to attempt to keep pre mature babies (and old people) alive. Once the medical intervention is attempted we get heavily dinged when there are some bad outcomes.

The care is mediocre according to WHO. Certainly substandard by the standard set by the other industrialized countries. (anecdotes have no bearing here, only what is true on average) We can not separate health insurance from health care. Only by paying a large amount spread out over a lifetime can anyone, other than the very wealthy of course, outside the U.S. Welfare System afford U.S. health care. Without insurance, we are all just one major health calamity away from bankruptcy. If there is a Hell, this is it.

 

[piezoe]

The Who rankings give 60% of the weight to distribution equality and cost.
Studies like those are not simply evaluating the quality of care. With that kind of weighting you can make any serious determination regarding the quality of care. As I said the quality of our doctors and nurses and tech and drugs is the best or one of the best in the world in just about every typical category. its oru insurance system that sucks.

Plus a country can "cheat" the rankings and having better outcomes by just not attempting to save premature babies, old people and sick people.

Look at the countries on the list. I have been to more than half of them. If you were in a car a life threating accident would you really rather be in these 34 countries over the US? Seriously this study is not meant to be an evaluation of the actual medical its more about the insurance or govt payer system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

France 3 12 6 4 4 1

Italy 6 14 11 11 3 2
San Marino 11 9 21 21 5 3

Andorra 10 25 17 23 7 4

Malta 21 38 31 37 2 5
Singapore 30 29 27 38 14 6
Spain 5 11 19 24 6 7
Oman 72 59 59 62 1 8
Austria 17 8 10 6 15 9
Japan 1 3 1 13 9 10

Norway 15 4 3 16 18 11
Portugal 29 34 32 28 13 12

Monaco 9 30 18 12 12 13
Greece 7 6 23 30 11 14
Iceland 19 24 16 14 27 15

Luxembourg 18 22 5 5 31 16
Netherlands 13 15 8 9 19 17
United Kingdom 14 2 9 26 24 18
Ireland 27 13 25 25 32 19
Switzerland 8 10 2 2 26 20
belgium
colombia
sweeden
cyprus
germany
saudi arabia
UAE
Isreal
Morroco
Canada
finland
austrailia
chile
denmark
dominica
costa rica


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_200

"The rankings are based on an index of five factors:[2]

• Health (50%) : disability-adjusted life expectancy
  • Overall or average : 15%
  • Distribution or equality : 35%
• Responsiveness (25%) : speed of service, protection of privacy, and quality of amenities
  • Overall or average : 12.5%
  • Distribution or equality : 12.5%
• Fair financial contribution : 25%"

2. I also point out that the US gets dinged in leftists studies for attempting extraordinary care for people that other countries just let die.
For instance in those types of studies the US is heavily downgraded because we have the technology to attempt to keep pre mature babies (and old people) alive. Once the medical intervention is attempted we get heavily dinged when there are some bad outcomes.

if you can't access it what is the best care in the world to you. Distribution is why the U.S. is so far down in the list. It is that simple. You might as well be living on the streets of Mumbai as in the U.S. if you can't afford medical care and can't qualify for medicaid because you have no dependents. Lets acknowledge that and go from there. If we solved the cost problem, the distribution problem would vanish of course. And the solution to the cost problem is obvious. Just do what all other developed nations do. This is not rocket science.

Do you know why the post office is losing money? It has nothing to do with Amazon. The Amazon contract is a money maker for the post office! It is because of medical care costs!!! Do you know why Trump is going after Amazon? It is because Amazon owns the Washington Post! Lets get rid of this liar and buffoon, jem. We need your help. Come on, jem, and join us. Let's get rid of this guy. He is destroying the country we love.

 

[Good1]

Lets get rid of this liar and buffoon, jem. We need your help. Come on, jem, and join us. Let's get rid of this guy. He is destroying the country we love.

Recently an armchair politico used this same general logic with me. We all have to work together now as this rogue buffoon destroys our beloved country. I wonder if this approach is coordinated.

Really? The country was that good that it can be destroyed so efficiently by someone who got a lot of votes?

If so, this scenario could have been matched or even worsened by the other candidate.

Getting back on topic, I still insist this country is a zip code in hell.

 

[Poindexter]

I am working since 7am, real traders do this (data work), soon to make dinner though.

But you are not a trader so how can you know what is crystal clear or not? I won't let you squirm away on this, there is no bluff to call but yours sweetie.

Any real trader can see your Dunning Krugerismo is truly awesome.

You prove it or you block me but you are my pawn.

Just show what is blindingly obvious. This was the first days of the Trump correction, anyone with a monthly chart saw that a mile off.

I wait with baited breath.

No, paper trader -- YOU prove it. You're the one who made the absurd claims, so the burden is on you. In fact, you're so NOT a trader, you can't even make up trade summaries that are believable. $159K gross profit from 205 trades with a max DD of only $1.4K? 51.94 Sharpe, average win is $859, average loss is $134, and 90% winners? GTFO!!!!