Pope criticises pursuit of wealth

[stu]

Quote from jem:

here is a link to 2 and half minute video by suskind on the subject. the end is the critical part.

http://bastardlogic.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/susskind-intelligent-design/

straight from the horses mouth.

He states at the very end that we have a very large universe with many environments and that only a small fraction of those universes are capable of sustaining life. And that we live in that small fractions of the universe that looks as though it were intelligently designed.

Get it - you anti science atheists out there.

If there is one universe we are in it and it looks spectacularly designed. But if there are an almost infinite amount of universes or "environments" we can not make the design inference.
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If you do further research you will see there is no proof of those other environments. they are only conjecture.

jem you're like one of those 'real life events' whose shit couldn't be made up. I would guess even the most crass film maker wouldn't put anything you come up with into a story line due to it being so ill-informed and contradictory no one would want it .

I know this is an anonymous board but honestly, surely you must have felt a twinge of embarrassment by now.
From your many ineptitudes calling yourself a lawyer who couldn't spell cite even when shown, but now the light has switched on, can't stop using the word, to an obsession with Susskind, a scientist who if he is right, even you say will disprove your Creator/intelligent design nonsense anyway. I wonder how long before the switch gets thrown and that fact dawns on you , in the way your understanding of that spelling inadequacy eventually did.

You're obsessed with Susskind. . Science is not like your Catholic Church. It doesn't have a single head representative which declares bullshit on its behalf.
Unlike your Pope or your Church, Susskind and every other scientist is in the end accountable to the Scientific Method. Even if God wants to be a scientist , It too is accountable to the same method. There is no escape; otherwise it is not science.

What is laughable is you're having all these Susskind raptures, but why? When or if Susskind does eventually fully account to the Scientific Method, it will disprove a Creator and what ever it is you are calling intelligent design..

Oh hello...you're promoting a scientist whose propositions if proven true, would establish no Creator/intelligent design. But you think that is a good argument for God/Creator/intelligent design. Why?? because the scientist may be wrong..!!
Honestly, you couldn't make that shit up!

Quote from jem:

Science does not state there is no Creator.

... not stating something.....

Quote from jem:

They simple do not have the tools to disprove a Creator.

.....does not have to infer something else

.... you simply do not have the tools to disprove no Creator.

 

[eusdaiki]

Quote from gnome:

The Pope is basically a Socialist..

Yup... a socialist that lives in a complex with several palaces and who is basically dressed in gold...

kind of like Stalin...

 

[jem]

Stu - it is atheists like you who keep saying there is not one shred of evidence of a design or Creator.

If irrational atheists like you had accepted the statements of scientists or proved them wrong with scientific support - instead of making up all sorts of bullshit reasons - there might have only been a couple of pages...

The problem is atheists like you refuse to follow logic. They can not accept that some excellent scientists are saying the universe (in which we live) appears designed. I am not saying that is the winning argument. I am only citing their arguments to prove the existence of some evidence which suggests design. You and your fellow atheists and emotional agnostics have been fighting that logic for years.

Once again I am not saying there is a conclusion of design in Science - only that there is evidence which must be weighed. I am amazed there there were so many of you emotional people on the wrong side of that argument.


Are you now ready to accept that that a least one serious (atheistic) scientist states that the universe in which we live looks designed - but to combat the inference of design he has suggested there may be trillions of universes.

Finally Stu - your reading comprehension sucks.

I never said that Science proves a Creator - only that Science does not prove - no Creator. And I made that clear multiple times. It is the atheists who have trouble with that logic as they keep bringing up the same stupid statements - just like you did.

Repeat after me -- Science is not on the side of the Atheist.

 

[I am...]

Quote from IanMacQuaide:

I'm not being cruel or petty, but the Pope is relevant to what?

The Pope is relevent to the ego. The ego is relevant to all "things", "the universe", elements, form, space between forms, differences between forms, change, change of forms, beliefs, faith, fantasies, uncertainties, symbolism, time, past, future, position, place, guilt, fear, pain, sacrifice, payment, belittlement, agrandizment, false humility, grandiosity [false grandeur], inequality, heirarchy, confusion, ingenuity, circular logic, words, thinking, perception, magic, individualism, separation, exclusivity, projection, interpretation, bodies, design, bodily design, bodily actions, events, circumstances, storytelling, fabrication, conflict, contradiction, enigma, paradox, puzzles, encription, description, secrecy, conspiracy, birth, death, fingers, eyesight, brain, matter, genitilia, mutilation, consciousness, delusion, imprisonment, limitations, depression, tears, sadness, sorrow, illusion, misdirection, and the magical attempt to give unreality the attributes of reality. The ego is relevent to almost every word in the dictionary. So the Pope is relevant to the world and its maintanance. He symbolizes the head of the "universal church", which is a kind of morbid religion based on faith in sacrifice as salvation.


Jesus

 

[wee man]

Quote from me2:

yeah- some old white guy dictating morals from italy institution that for centuries abused and manipulated people. religion is a crutch for the weak and mind control for the masses

Aye, and don't forget the' little' problem of pedophile shame that haunts the Catholic church.

but they would rather lecture on about money being the root of evil instead of handing over all the child molesters in their organization to the police.

 

[sprstpd]

Quote from jem:

I never said that Science proves a Creator - only that Science does not prove - no Creator. And I made that clear multiple times. It is the atheists who have trouble with that logic as they keep bringing up the same stupid statements - just like you did.

Repeat after me -- Science is not on the side of the Atheist.

Oh please. Your argument is that because some scientists says the universe is designed then that proves something? Totally ludicrous.

And I cannot imagine science either proving or disproving the existence of a Creator. Your arguments on that front are ridiculous as well.

 

[IanMacQuaide]

Quote from wee man:

Aye, and don't forget the' little' problem of pedophile shame that haunts the Catholic church.

but they would rather lecture on about money being the root of evil instead of handing over all the child molesters in their organization to the police.

speaks as to their priorities, don't it?

 

[wee man]

Quote from IanMacQuaide:

speaks as to their priorities, don't it?

Makes you kinda wonder why the Pope just dont get the whole lot sorted out and show that they really are sorry....maybe has something to hide himself, no?

 

[jem]

Quote from sprstpd:

Oh please. Your argument is that because some scientists says the universe is designed then that proves something? Totally ludicrous.

And I cannot imagine science either proving or disproving the existence of a Creator. Your arguments on that front are ridiculous as well.

is that my argument? what is going on here? The posters are proving my point.

 

[I am...]

Quote from Rawfists:

There is no creator as such.. only pure living eternal mind.. that which is all there is and naught else.. neither created nor can be destroyed

The universe is an expression of that one minds self awareness.. as are we

...not!

"The universe" is the expression of Self unawareness...Self-imposed ignorance... a Self-denying mask...a Self-abrogating masquerade.

The mind that does this is Creation miscreating itself....Mind wandering away from Spirit...the Master, disturbing itself. Creation has a Creator, which it denies by miscreating itself through "the universe". The Creation is everything, like it's Creator. "The universe" is nothing, unlike itself. "The universe" is nothing masquerading as everything.

Like Wayne in "Wayne's World", "the universe" is a joker and a joke. The joke is on Self. "The universe" is a statement about Self, followed by a pause, followed by..."NOT"! "Not!" dispells the spell cast by the joker and it's joke, ending "the universe" with laughter. The universe is as we are...not!

Self awareness is heaven.
Self unawarness must be hell.
At best, "the universe" is the awareness of unawareness...of what is not.
Dispell "the universe" by being aware of awareness only.


Jesus