POLL: Who is Jesus to You?
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Quote from armoured saint:
subjecting THESE atmospheric conditions to sunlight in the lab organic compounds emerged...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11736311/
what will jesus have to say about this
You are well behind the eight ball. This has already been proposed and known for years, for several water/ice covered moons of Jupiter.
They have already manufactured several different viruses in the lab, in a rather simple fashion.
And what does any of this prove? The scripture never says there was no life on other planets/moons/etc. I am a theistic evolution. I have no problem with any of this.
But it is another example of how little people know of the cosmos or much else. Creationist or evolutionist. They float a simplistic , childish idea, and say "see? see??? what about this"
what is that and where is it in the bible?
It is likely that sosexy comes as an alias from another ETer, but is not man enough to just say what he thinks as who he really is.
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What proves Jesus is God? A couple of hundred clearly filled prophecies, from Old to New Testament. The funny thing is, that none of the other multiple thousand religions that ever existed can display anything similar. But it is usually a waste of time to discuss, because the "skeptic" says NO to anything one attempts to say, quotes a few websites of "things to say to people who follow scripture" and therefore thinks they have disproven it.
Or they use several other well-worn techniques that usually have little to do with what is written. They are self-convinced.
They cannot do their own thinking, but follow along like scientific lemmings. I used to be like this, so I am well aware of the methods and the emptiness of it all. The most important thing facing every person, and they flaunt their ignorant, blind, mortal grasp, which is horribly off kilter.
But this is what scripture has already made clear "They will listen with their ears and not hear, and they will look with their eyes and not see." "The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing."
They will chuckle and laugh until they wake up after death, and are facing an eternity, as an absolute enemy of God. And then, they will stop laugh. Because they will have no one to argue their case. And they will see their life as a huge, wasted void, where all their cleverness will seem like a terrible, uncorrectable mistake.
As the scripture says, "It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God."
I will only give one example of many prophecies. An Orthodox Jewish woman who I worked with, I asked her this question. "According to Zech 12:10, When God eventually causes Jews to open their eyes and to look back, how many Jewish men in history are they likely to mourn for bitterly, as their firstborn son, whom they pierced? Who do you think Jesus was? If Jesus was not the Messiah, then who was?" She had no answer, and her rabbis had no answer, and she converted. Verse follows:
Zechariah 12:10
Jewish Publication Society Tanakh:
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.
New American Standard Bible
"I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
I will not be "debating" this or other prophecies. I have done so quite a few times, but I got tired of arguing with those whose idea of an open mind is "can't be true. because I say/think so." Or "I looked at what you wrote and (in actuality looked they looked at a couple of rebuttal websites and cut/pasted the appropriate modular response) it isn't true because of... so what is your next argument?"
In other words, I get tired of spending time on something that the other party sees as a curve ball to be hit back, with little attempt to grasp, contemplate and see if it might be true. I am to be a witness to these things, not to argue with the blind and deaf. Whether others accept or reject is of little consequence to me.
Quote from armoured saint:
what is that and where is it in the bible?
Confused? Creationism is not scripture, it is a doctrine based on interpreting the scripture.
The same as catholicism, orthodoxy, Pentecostalism, fundamentalism, or Calvinism are doctrines. Each denomination looks at the scripture, and comes away with their dogma/doctrine/belief set. Such as whether we are supposed to baptize those who make a knowledgeable conversion (ie, not a baby) or whether we are supposed to baptize the children of believers.
Doctrine is not scripture, it is a "view" of scripture.
It is my impression, that Genesis is as obscure as Revelation. Attempts to explain it as "7 literal days" or "each day is actually perhaps 1000 or 10,000 years" are a waste of time. For example, creationism cannot deal with the fact that after the 7th day, there is ANOTHER description of creation, which is not well understood how the two connect.
The scripture says, "the heavens declare his handiwork" so it makes no sense to ignore 4.6 billion years of geologic, chemical and biologic imprints upon the earth. Saying it ain't so does not change reality.
My clearest take is that 1) standard evolution followers are correct, but they lose it when they try to factor out God without any evidence for or against (teleology). If you say it is not divine, then if there IS a God, then your paradigm vaporizes 2) Christians are correct scripturally, but they lose it when they try to interpret Genesis as if it is much clearer than a prophetic book such as Revelation. 3) Any gaps between these two extremes are currently beyond our knowledge. Not everything can be explained, such as dark mater/energy or either the 11 dimensional model or the multiverse theory of the cosmos. We represent them, but do not understand them.
Prophecies are so vague and can refer to any number of individuals.
They are like psychics, who allege to be able to foresee the future yet do so without any detail.
I always get a kick out of those bull$hit Court TV psychic investigator shows that bring out "psychics" to where the body was found so they can get a feeling as to the characteristics of the murderer ("I see a dark haired man wearing a moustache and a Grateful Dead t-shirt. He may or may not be wearing a toupee, blah, blah, blah).
If these psychics are so great, tell us (1) the specific name of the murderer and (2) his address. Now THAT would be impressive.
Ironically, Jews wrote the Old Testament and its many prophecies, and yet it was the Jews who believed that Jesus did not fulfill those very prophecies.
If these prophecies had been more specific, there would be no debate now, would there?