POLL: Who is Jesus to You?

[rcanfiel]

Quote from bigarrow:

That may or may not be right.
But the most in your face group in America without question are Christians, period.
Christians will come to your house uninvited, ask you personal questions and when they don't like your answers they will get defensive and sometimes angry with you. Unbelievable isn't it? I've been shopping for cars and the salesman(self proclaimed Christian) tries to convert me to his way of thinking. The list goes on and on and I don't get out much so I can imagine how much they harass others. And what's worse than the personal harassments and butting in to others personal business, they want the laws to reflect their beliefs and they want everyones kids to be indoctrinated in their beliefs in school also.
I've never personally had a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddist, atheist, gay, agnostic or any other try to push their beliefs on me. Except I did have a coworker on the fire dept years ago not speak to me again when I didn't join the NRA, that was his religion.

The people claim that the Christians are the most in your face generally love anecdotal evidence.

I am sure you consider evangelicals as a greater threat than Muslims. Let us see, who was it who flew jets into the WTC, Pentagon and tried a fourth building? Who was it who is blowing up buildings across Iraq, Pakistan, Israel and a lot of other countries?

Try factoring that into your equation of "pushing their beliefs" They would rather see you dead. Wander into the right place, and you might get their wish...

Atheists don't push their belief? They hammer away at every creche or other version of Christianity everywhere, even "In God we trust" mentioned. Try the "ACLU" or other orgs. They rail at anyone who is not so thrilled about having evolution shoved down their kids' throats. They just like to hide behind secular rights.

Everyone pushes their agenda. Remember how much the Gore Dems whined in Florida after the votes didn't go their way? "Count every vote (but they only of course wanted to recount the counties where they were behind). Funny thing, after the absolute final recount, Bush was still ahead. Somehow, the Floridians were disenfranchised by losing by a few hundred votes, but if a recount had Gore ahead by even one vote, that would have been fair. Frankly, they all stink.

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from rcanfiel:

The people claim that the Christians are the most in your face generally love anecdotal evidence.

I am sure you consider evangelicals as a greater threat than Muslims. Let us see, who was it who flew jets into the WTC, Pentagon and tried a fourth building? Who was it who is blowing up buildings across Iraq, Pakistan, Israel and a lot of other countries?

Try factoring that into your equation of "pushing their beliefs" They would rather see you dead. Wander into the right place, and you might get their wish...

Atheists don't push their belief? They hammer away at every creche or other version of Christianity everywhere, even "In God we trust" mentioned. Try the "ACLU" or other orgs. They rail at anyone who is not so thrilled about having evolution shoved down their kids' throats. They just like to hide behind secular rights.

Everyone pushes their agenda. Remember how much the Gore Dems whined in Florida after the votes didn't go their way? "Count every vote (but they only of course wanted to recount the counties where they were behind). Funny thing, after the absolute final recount, Bush was still ahead. Somehow, the Floridians were disenfranchised by losing by a few hundred votes, but if a recount had Gore ahead by even one vote, that would have been fair. Frankly, they all stink.

rcanfiel are you high ? Terrorists, Florida vote, man you need to lay off the coffee and focus LOL put some bourbon in your egg nogg and you'll feel better old man. We were talking about in your face groups remember?(I was thinking groups here in America that we come in personal contact with) And by the way muslims are a greater threat to my personal safety but the christian right & neo con's are a greater threat to my personal freedom and liberty.
I'm not sure about all the buildings but ,,, Uh... I think we blew up a lot of buildings in Iraq.

 

[tomahawk]

Quote from gaynproud:

A descended god of virgin birth on December 25th who dies and is ressurected 3 days later is thousands of years older than the Jesus story

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

Scroll down to see some interesting comparison.

 

[I am...]

Quote from tomahawk:

Scroll down to see some interesting comparison.

Quote from www.religioustolerance.org:

Theologians have discovered about 50 gospels which were widely used by Jewish, Pauline and Gnostic groups within the early Christian movement. Only four of these were chosen by the surviving group, Pauline Christianity, and were included in the Bible.

This indicates that the cannon came down to a popularity contest. Most of the NT is about Paul, and his group of people chose which gospels they wanted you to see. Paul's letters actually pre-date the composition of the chosen gospels...but the gospels are inserted before Paul's letters.

Jesus

 

[smilingsynic]

Quote from rcanfiel:

The people claim that the Christians are the most in your face generally love anecdotal evidence.

I am sure you consider evangelicals as a greater threat than Muslims. Let us see, who was it who flew jets into the WTC, Pentagon and tried a fourth building? Who was it who is blowing up buildings across Iraq, Pakistan, Israel and a lot of other countries?

Try factoring that into your equation of "pushing their beliefs" They would rather see you dead. Wander into the right place, and you might get their wish...

Atheists don't push their belief? They hammer away at every creche or other version of Christianity everywhere, even "In God we trust" mentioned. Try the "ACLU" or other orgs. They rail at anyone who is not so thrilled about having evolution shoved down their kids' throats. They just like to hide behind secular rights.

Everyone pushes their agenda. Remember how much the Gore Dems whined in Florida after the votes didn't go their way? "Count every vote (but they only of course wanted to recount the counties where they were behind). Funny thing, after the absolute final recount, Bush was still ahead. Somehow, the Floridians were disenfranchised by losing by a few hundred votes, but if a recount had Gore ahead by even one vote, that would have been fair. Frankly, they all stink.

Atheists generally don't or haven't (1) go door to door seeking converts; (2) burned people at the stake for holding differing opinions; (3) murdered those who disagreed with them; (4) go on TV asking--begging--for money.

Unlike the many varieties of creationism, evolution is fully supported by scientific evidence from many field. If evolution were "pushed" down the throats of students, they would probably know it. Yet we live in a country where over half of the people believe that the earth was created in the last 10,000 years, and where approximately 1/4 support the biblical view of geocentrism.

Evangelicals have not flown planes into tall buildings, but they CERTAINLY have committed acts of terror and have organized themselves into terrorist organizations. Note the Army of God, a member of which was executed by the state of Florida for murdering an abortionist.

In terms of morality, I trust atheists more than I trust Christians. When I see a salesman with a Jesus First pin or a cross around his neck, I hold onto my wallet!

 

[nealvan]

Quote from rcanfiel:

Since he is probably the most influential and/or followed man in history, i am curious about your opinion of who Jesus is - good, bad or indifferent .

I believe Jesus to be a radical and perhaps the devil himself. If you think about it he gives away that he is lucifer by healing people and making the blind see and lucifer means light. He deceives people by referencing his own alter ego the devil. No god believing man should be able to do this to another man. This is similar to abduction. God is a spirit that exist but he is not literally any kind of human. Death is something the living has to face.

 

[nealvan]

Someone giving you something like extending your life (as a god mind you not with the advances of science and better living for each individual) is like selling your soul to the devil. Jesus was most definetly the devil.

God is not a he or she. God is a creator. You don't sell your soul to God at any point in life. Things that are done out of guilt or jealousy do not represent God.

Totally false belief - the religions are. This is why a lot of religions are evil and don't even understand a higher realm.

There is a maximum amount of time any living thing of flesh can live and when it's time to go there's no stopping dieing.

 

[nealvan]

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[I am...]

Quote from nealvan:

Someone giving you something like extending your life (as a god mind you not with the advances of science and better living for each individual) is like selling your soul to the devil. Jesus was most definetly the devil.

God is not a he or she. God is a creator. You don't sell your soul to God at any point in life. Things that are done out of guilt or jealousy do not represent God.

Totally false belief - the religions are. This is why a lot of religions are evil and don't even understand a higher realm.

There is a maximum amount of time any living thing of flesh can live and when it's time to go there's no stopping dieing.

I did not promote the extension of fleshly existence except that it fulfill the function of communicating the truth so you can learn it.

At some point, on the way home, the body is put down like you would put down a tool on your way to dinner. Whether it is dropped, or whether it rises up into the sky, or whether it disappears into thin air, all that is up to your Guidance.

There is no point in extending the appearance of the body since it is the body you want to escape from, if you are interested in freedom. Once you are free, whether you stay or go, or how you stay or go is more about who wants to see you, or how the Holy Sprit wants to use you. Once you leave, you are still free to embody, but like me, slim chance. There is not much incentive, and seeing a body would confuse the emphasis of my message. The body is a dream to be disbelieved. To be awake means the dream is gone. I am awake, so my body is gone. But I am still with you, accomplishing more than I could ever accomplish in a body.

I raised people from the dead. But it was a joint operation. I could not do it without their cooperation. Most anyone would cooperate with me however, because the light in my mind was strongly enticing, and people just let it in. Once they let it in, they became sure of themselves, and their own minds did the healing based on their own conviction. This is somewhat confusing, because there is really only one mind. But while it believes itself to be comparmentalized, there is no forced transfer of light. It must be invited in. Once there is a joining of mind, there is a sharing of One Spirit, and this is a sharing of power. A mind is able to rise quicky to a self-healing strength.

Jesus

 

[rcanfiel]

Quote from nealvan:

I believe Jesus to be a radical and perhaps the devil himself. If you think about it he gives away that he is lucifer by healing people and making the blind see and lucifer means light. He deceives people by referencing his own alter ego the devil. No god believing man should be able to do this to another man. This is similar to abduction. God is a spirit that exist but he is not literally any kind of human. Death is something the living has to face.

lay off the caffeine!