Good, now that you realize that, accept his definition, which is fair enough and is the definition his argument is based upon and go from there! It's simple, and it allows you to actually debate the freaking topic that you were debating before, instead of getting hung up on an argument that actually means nothing and proves nothing (except how ridiculous you can be about debating the definition of atheism)!
POLL: What is the World's Most Evil Religion?
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Good, now that you realize that, accept his definition, which is fair enough and is the definition his argument is based upon and go from there! It's simple, and it allows you to actually debate the freaking topic that you were debating before, instead of getting hung up on an argument that actually means nothing and proves nothing (except how ridiculous you can be about debating the definition of atheism)!
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OK, my bad.
This discussion TURNED into one on is a plant an atheist.
The original part was "what is the world's most evil religion".
Personally I think all religion is evil.
None of it seems to teach love
Or tolerance of others.
My 2 cents.
way too generalized. Some religions and denominations teach love, while others teach hate. But most messages can be perverted, regardless. The Nazis twisted brilliant non-religious philosophy (such as Nietzsche) to try to claim it supported their ideology. Some other religions and denominations, however, do preach intolerance.
AXE:3) God sends wild animals sent to kill infants, but THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!
CONT:What makes God's judgement less righteous then sinful mortal men? God's law is vastly more merciful and infinite than yours or mine. If you can not explain the universe how can you understand the mind of God?
NICE DODGE. You FAILED to address the contradiction.
God commands that thou shalt not kill, but then sends
people to kill one another.
The contradiction STANDS.
AXE:4) Hippie dude coming back to life after proclaiming to die for OUR sins.
CONT: The proof of the resurrection is a proven historical fact. You simply have not done your homework on the subject of Biblical history.
I did not list this an a biblical contradiction.
However... the fact that you assert this is a historical fact
is LAUGHABLE. You cannot prove this.
AXE:5) Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
AXE:Versus: Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, W
hy loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
CONT:You have obviously missed the point here. It can be logically determined that the owner of the colt was ready to contribute to the work of God and seeing that once confronted with the fact that "the Lord had need of it" they were willing and ready to give.
Now your FABRICATING SHIT! LOL!
You cant prove this MAYBE. The contradiction stands.
AXE: 6) Throw in some slavery:
Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."
AXE:Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it."
CONT:You really don't get it do you. Isreal was punished because of their sin and disobedience and therefore were taken into captivity.
So what, thats just a lame excuse. Its still slavery. The contradiction STANDS.
CONT:Again your lack of ancient times and customs is staggering.
If ancient Greece slavery was likened to "Employer/Employee" relationships. Slaves had rights. Slaves were to be paid decent wages. If one was in debt then they would have to work off the debt and once completed were released from service. Some slaves stayed on with their "masters" after being released because they were treated so fairly and paid very well.
No different than today's nanny or butler or personal assistant.
LOL! More silly excuses. You FAILED to address the
CONTRADICTION. PS: These are from a preacher, so dont
pretend he doesnt know what it means.
AXE:7) Oooops...god changes his mind after saying he never changes.
I guess he must be bipolar.
AXE:Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."
AXE:Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth . . . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made him.
CONT:Again your lack of understanding and Biblical interpretation is laughable. The Hebrew word given here to express "repenteth" expresses sadness for the failure of man to obey God when given the choice and opportunity to do so.
The only thing laughable is how you squirm and make excuses.
God clearly REGRETS here. Which means he thought it
was a good idea and now he REGRETS it.
AXE:8) Is god confused here? Truly bipolar
AXE:Exodus 20:5 "For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation." (Repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9)
AXE:Ezekiel 18:20 "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
CONT:Yes God is jealous over his creation. "Thou shall not worship other god's."
Again you DODGE the contradiction. Who cares if he is jealous.
Fact is...the CONTRADICTION stands.
AXE
salm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all."
AXE:Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."
CONT:"Again the judgement of God is perfect were as man can not judge righteously because he is imperfect.
The Hebrew word given here is a direct reference to good and evil in a sense the evil is a direct consequence for disobeying God law."
So what? Again you DODGE the contradiction.
You cannot be good to all and deliver them evil too.
AXE:10) Wow!!! What a setup. God is worse than the mob!
AXE:James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
AXE:Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
CONT:This is getting rather boring. Do your homework before making stupid comments about things you have not taken the time to understand.
God did not "tempt" Abraham with evil but rather he "tested" Abraham to see if he would obey God. The Hebrew word used here is also used in other places throughout the Old Testament.
LOL! As if you have the authority to soley interpret words at will.
Now tempt means test? Bullshit. If that were the case,
they would have used the word test instead.
Funny how far you have to stretch the obvious. Its pitiful really.
AXE:John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live."
AXE:Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."
Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."
CONT:O.K. another apparent contradiction right? NOT.
NO man has seen God face to face in all his fullness.
It would take to long to walk you through the Greek lexicon on this one. Once again nice try.
Nice DODGE! Another lame excuse... oh boo hoo... I cant prove
it to you because it would take too long.
There you have it.
CONTRARIAN completely FAILED to even address a SINGLE
contradiction. All we got out of him were mere execuses,
dodges, and changing the definition of words.
Even I thought you could do better than that.
Apprently you cant.
The contradictions clearly stand.
Neeeeeeeeeeext..........
peace
axeman
CONT:What makes God's judgement less righteous then sinful mortal men? God's law is vastly more merciful and infinite than yours or mine. If you can not explain the universe how can you understand the mind of God?
NICE DODGE. You FAILED to address the contradiction.
God commands that thou shalt not kill, but then sends
people to kill one another.
The contradiction STANDS.
AXE:4) Hippie dude coming back to life after proclaiming to die for OUR sins.
CONT: The proof of the resurrection is a proven historical fact. You simply have not done your homework on the subject of Biblical history.
I did not list this an a biblical contradiction.
However... the fact that you assert this is a historical fact
is LAUGHABLE. You cannot prove this.
AXE:5) Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
AXE:Versus: Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, W
hy loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
CONT:You have obviously missed the point here. It can be logically determined that the owner of the colt was ready to contribute to the work of God and seeing that once confronted with the fact that "the Lord had need of it" they were willing and ready to give.
Now your FABRICATING SHIT! LOL!
You cant prove this MAYBE. The contradiction stands.
AXE: 6) Throw in some slavery:
Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."
AXE:Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it."
CONT:You really don't get it do you. Isreal was punished because of their sin and disobedience and therefore were taken into captivity.
So what, thats just a lame excuse. Its still slavery. The contradiction STANDS.
CONT:Again your lack of ancient times and customs is staggering.
If ancient Greece slavery was likened to "Employer/Employee" relationships. Slaves had rights. Slaves were to be paid decent wages. If one was in debt then they would have to work off the debt and once completed were released from service. Some slaves stayed on with their "masters" after being released because they were treated so fairly and paid very well.
No different than today's nanny or butler or personal assistant.
LOL! More silly excuses. You FAILED to address the
CONTRADICTION. PS: These are from a preacher, so dont
pretend he doesnt know what it means.
AXE:7) Oooops...god changes his mind after saying he never changes.
I guess he must be bipolar.
AXE:Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."
AXE:Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth . . . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made him.
CONT:Again your lack of understanding and Biblical interpretation is laughable. The Hebrew word given here to express "repenteth" expresses sadness for the failure of man to obey God when given the choice and opportunity to do so.
The only thing laughable is how you squirm and make excuses.
God clearly REGRETS here. Which means he thought it
was a good idea and now he REGRETS it.
AXE:8) Is god confused here? Truly bipolar
AXE:Exodus 20:5 "For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation." (Repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9)
AXE:Ezekiel 18:20 "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
CONT:Yes God is jealous over his creation. "Thou shall not worship other god's."
Again you DODGE the contradiction. Who cares if he is jealous.
Fact is...the CONTRADICTION stands.
AXE
salm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all." AXE:Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."
CONT:"Again the judgement of God is perfect were as man can not judge righteously because he is imperfect.
The Hebrew word given here is a direct reference to good and evil in a sense the evil is a direct consequence for disobeying God law."
So what? Again you DODGE the contradiction.
You cannot be good to all and deliver them evil too.
AXE:10) Wow!!! What a setup. God is worse than the mob!
AXE:James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
AXE:Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
CONT:This is getting rather boring. Do your homework before making stupid comments about things you have not taken the time to understand.
God did not "tempt" Abraham with evil but rather he "tested" Abraham to see if he would obey God. The Hebrew word used here is also used in other places throughout the Old Testament.
LOL! As if you have the authority to soley interpret words at will.
Now tempt means test? Bullshit. If that were the case,
they would have used the word test instead.
Funny how far you have to stretch the obvious. Its pitiful really.
AXE:John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live."
AXE:Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."
Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."
CONT:O.K. another apparent contradiction right? NOT.
NO man has seen God face to face in all his fullness.
It would take to long to walk you through the Greek lexicon on this one. Once again nice try.
Nice DODGE! Another lame excuse... oh boo hoo... I cant prove
it to you because it would take too long.
There you have it.
CONTRARIAN completely FAILED to even address a SINGLE
contradiction. All we got out of him were mere execuses,
dodges, and changing the definition of words.
Even I thought you could do better than that.
Apprently you cant.
The contradictions clearly stand.
Neeeeeeeeeeext..........
peace
axeman
ANYTHING which lacks a belief in god is BY DEFINITION
an A-THEIST. Direct translation, "without theism".
Call it absurd if it makes you feel better, but it fits
the definition perfectly. You simply dont understand
the definition, so it seems absurd to you.
Calling a plant a STRONG ATHEIST, would indeed be absurd,
because this type of atheist REQUIRES being able to believe.
However, that is not the case with atheism in general.
Whats really sad, is that you CAN think, and you STILL
believe this theist nonsense. What a waste of a brain
Imagine that. A plant cant think, so its NOT fooled
by theism, but you are
peace
axeman
an A-THEIST. Direct translation, "without theism".
Call it absurd if it makes you feel better, but it fits
the definition perfectly. You simply dont understand
the definition, so it seems absurd to you.
Calling a plant a STRONG ATHEIST, would indeed be absurd,
because this type of atheist REQUIRES being able to believe.
However, that is not the case with atheism in general.
Whats really sad, is that you CAN think, and you STILL
believe this theist nonsense. What a waste of a brain
Imagine that. A plant cant think, so its NOT fooled
by theism, but you are
peace
axeman
As you eluted to previously- the Bible is made up.
So why quote from it?
Unless we can demonstrate that the Bible is divine rather than human in origin your quoting it is a waste of time.
So why quote from it?
Unless we can demonstrate that the Bible is divine rather than human in origin your quoting it is a waste of time.
AXE:7) Oooops...god changes his mind after saying he never changes.
I guess he must be bipolar.
God does not change his mind concerning his plan of redemption.
AXE:Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."
AXE:Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth . . . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made him.
CONT:Again your lack of understanding and Biblical interpretation is laughable. The Hebrew word given here to express "repenteth" expresses sadness for the failure of man to obey God when given the choice and opportunity to do so.
The word repenteth means to "turn away from". I'm glad that he did not turn away from man but rather embraced men when while we were yet sinners he died for our sins.
John 3:16
The only thing laughable is how you squirm and make excuses.
God clearly REGRETS here. Which means he thought it
was a good idea and now he REGRETS it.
he thought is was a good idea within the context of "free will".
had he not given us free will we would be robots.
You are WRONG. again the only thing God REGRETS is mans failure to obey God. Go back and read the 1st 3 chapters of Genesis then we can revisit the subject.
AXE:8) Is god confused here? Truly bipolar
AXE:Exodus 20:5 "For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation." (Repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9)
AXE:Ezekiel 18:20 "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
CONT:Yes God is jealous over his creation. "Thou shall not worship other god's."
Again you DODGE the contradiction. Who cares if he is jealous.
Fact is...the CONTRADICTION stands.
How is this a contradiction?
Again you do not understand Scripture. Exodus 20:5 is a direct reference to the sin nature of men. The reason for visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation is the idea that the "children" carried out in the same original fashion as their forefathers in that they too continued in the sin of their fathers. - to forget God is the greatest sin of all.
at the time of that writing Isreal was continuing in the sin of idolatry and idol worship that they had learned in Egypt. The whole purpose of the Mt Sinai experience was to wean Isreal away from idol worship and into the worship of the one true God.
Jehovah Yahweh.
AXEsalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all."
AXE:Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."
You need to go back and re-read Deut 28-31 and see the blessings and curses. This is a direct correlation to the above mentioned text.
CONT:"Again the judgement of God is perfect were as man can not judge righteously because he is imperfect.
The Hebrew word given here is a direct reference to "evil" in a sense the evil is a direct consequence for disobeying God law."
So what? Again you DODGE the contradiction.
You cannot be good to all and deliver them evil too.
How is that?
God is good to all in the fact that he sent his only begotton son Jesus to die on a cross for your sins and mine.
The fact that God delivers men over to their own evil desires is the proper context here and elsewhere in Scripture. this is no way makes God responsible for the sinful desires of men. WE are ALL free moral agents in that we all have free will. The will to choose to do good or evil. Because of our sinful nature we choose evil over good most of the time and even our good deeds are rooted in our own selfish desires and impure motives.
Mans righteousness when compared to God's righteousness is as filthy rags.
AXE:10) Wow!!! What a setup. God is worse than the mob!
AXE:James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
AXE:Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
CONT:This is getting rather boring. Do your homework before making stupid comments about things you have not taken the time to understand.
God did not "tempt" Abraham with evil but rather he "tested" Abraham to see if he would obey God. The Hebrew word used here is also used in other places throughout the Old Testament.
LOL! As if you have the authority to solely interpret words at will.
Now tempt means test? Bullshit. If that were the case,
they would have used the word test instead.
Funny how far you have to stretch the obvious. Its pitiful really.
Again YOU ARE WRONG! That is not my interpretation that is the actual literal word being rendered within the text. But you would know this if you had simply read the passage and used Scripture to interpret Scripture- the cardinal rule of hermeneutics.
AXE:John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live."
AXE:Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."
Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."
CONT:O.K. another apparent contradiction right? NOT.
NO man has seen God face to face in all his fullness of deity.
It would take to long to walk you through the Greek lexicon on this one. Once again nice try.
Nice DODGE! Another lame excuse... oh boo hoo... I cant prove
it to you because it would take too long.
I don't have to prove anything to you here. You do not have to take my word for it. Simply pick up a book and read it for yourself.
Since you are such an expert at Theology you should be familiar with the concept of God's chekahnna glory. right?
There you have it.
CONTRARIAN completely FAILED to even address a SINGLE
contradiction. All we got out of him were mere excuses,
dodges, and changing the definition of words.
Did you not battle over atheist definition?
Now you accuse us as doing to same thing that YOU did?
Now who is bipolar?
Even I thought you could do better than that.
apparently you cant.
The contradictions are clearly squashed.
shredded to pieces
axeman and his arguments[/B][/QUOTE]
Again. That is your misinterpretation of the text. That is not proper exegesis but rather isogesis.
Simply put: That's just your opinion although it is false.
You have forced your bias upon the text of Scripture rather than extracting from the text. Big mistake.
I guess he must be bipolar.
God does not change his mind concerning his plan of redemption.
AXE:Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."
AXE:Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth . . . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made him.
CONT:Again your lack of understanding and Biblical interpretation is laughable. The Hebrew word given here to express "repenteth" expresses sadness for the failure of man to obey God when given the choice and opportunity to do so.
The word repenteth means to "turn away from". I'm glad that he did not turn away from man but rather embraced men when while we were yet sinners he died for our sins.
John 3:16
The only thing laughable is how you squirm and make excuses.
God clearly REGRETS here. Which means he thought it
was a good idea and now he REGRETS it.
he thought is was a good idea within the context of "free will".
had he not given us free will we would be robots.
You are WRONG. again the only thing God REGRETS is mans failure to obey God. Go back and read the 1st 3 chapters of Genesis then we can revisit the subject.
AXE:8) Is god confused here? Truly bipolar
AXE:Exodus 20:5 "For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation." (Repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9)
AXE:Ezekiel 18:20 "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
CONT:Yes God is jealous over his creation. "Thou shall not worship other god's."
Again you DODGE the contradiction. Who cares if he is jealous.
Fact is...the CONTRADICTION stands.
How is this a contradiction?
Again you do not understand Scripture. Exodus 20:5 is a direct reference to the sin nature of men. The reason for visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation is the idea that the "children" carried out in the same original fashion as their forefathers in that they too continued in the sin of their fathers. - to forget God is the greatest sin of all.
at the time of that writing Isreal was continuing in the sin of idolatry and idol worship that they had learned in Egypt. The whole purpose of the Mt Sinai experience was to wean Isreal away from idol worship and into the worship of the one true God.
Jehovah Yahweh.
AXE
salm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all." AXE:Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."
You need to go back and re-read Deut 28-31 and see the blessings and curses. This is a direct correlation to the above mentioned text.
CONT:"Again the judgement of God is perfect were as man can not judge righteously because he is imperfect.
The Hebrew word given here is a direct reference to "evil" in a sense the evil is a direct consequence for disobeying God law."
So what? Again you DODGE the contradiction.
You cannot be good to all and deliver them evil too.
How is that?
God is good to all in the fact that he sent his only begotton son Jesus to die on a cross for your sins and mine.
The fact that God delivers men over to their own evil desires is the proper context here and elsewhere in Scripture. this is no way makes God responsible for the sinful desires of men. WE are ALL free moral agents in that we all have free will. The will to choose to do good or evil. Because of our sinful nature we choose evil over good most of the time and even our good deeds are rooted in our own selfish desires and impure motives.
Mans righteousness when compared to God's righteousness is as filthy rags.
AXE:10) Wow!!! What a setup. God is worse than the mob!
AXE:James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
AXE:Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
CONT:This is getting rather boring. Do your homework before making stupid comments about things you have not taken the time to understand.
God did not "tempt" Abraham with evil but rather he "tested" Abraham to see if he would obey God. The Hebrew word used here is also used in other places throughout the Old Testament.
LOL! As if you have the authority to solely interpret words at will.
Now tempt means test? Bullshit. If that were the case,
they would have used the word test instead.
Funny how far you have to stretch the obvious. Its pitiful really.
Again YOU ARE WRONG! That is not my interpretation that is the actual literal word being rendered within the text. But you would know this if you had simply read the passage and used Scripture to interpret Scripture- the cardinal rule of hermeneutics.
AXE:John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live."
AXE:Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."
Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."
CONT:O.K. another apparent contradiction right? NOT.
NO man has seen God face to face in all his fullness of deity.
It would take to long to walk you through the Greek lexicon on this one. Once again nice try.
Nice DODGE! Another lame excuse... oh boo hoo... I cant prove
it to you because it would take too long.
I don't have to prove anything to you here. You do not have to take my word for it. Simply pick up a book and read it for yourself.
Since you are such an expert at Theology you should be familiar with the concept of God's chekahnna glory. right?
There you have it.
CONTRARIAN completely FAILED to even address a SINGLE
contradiction. All we got out of him were mere excuses,
dodges, and changing the definition of words.
Did you not battle over atheist definition?
Now you accuse us as doing to same thing that YOU did?
Now who is bipolar?
Even I thought you could do better than that.
apparently you cant.
The contradictions are clearly squashed.
shredded to pieces
axeman and his arguments[/B][/QUOTE]
Again. That is your misinterpretation of the text. That is not proper exegesis but rather isogesis.
Simply put: That's just your opinion although it is false.
You have forced your bias upon the text of Scripture rather than extracting from the text. Big mistake.
GA,
You ask for a real formal debate without the Ad Hominems,
and yet you clearly show us that you are incapable of this.
At the very beginning of your post you asserted that
jesus coming back to life is a HISTORICAL FACT that you can PROVE.
Further, you challenge me to prove this is NOT the case.
This points out 2 very important things:
1) You don't know what constitutes evidence, since I
can only assume your going to use your bible as the
source for proof of jesus's resurrection.
2) You ask me to prove a negative. Something a real debater
would NEVER ask because he understands the logical FLAW
of asking something so silly.
Now.... #1 needs some clarification, so why dont you provide
us with your PROOF that 1) Jesus even existed, since this is
still hotly debated, and #2) That he came back to life.
More importantly, explain to me why asking your opponent
to prove something is NOT true is so illogical.
If you can at least address issue #2, and identify your
logical error, then I will accept the challenge to your formal
debate under set of debating rules which allow for OBJECTIVE
scoring.
But first, lets see if you are even capable of reasoning correctly
by identifying and describing in detail why it is silly to ask
someone to prove something is NOT true.
A college debate professor would shoot you down in an instant
for doing this. Explain why.
peace
axeman
You ask for a real formal debate without the Ad Hominems,
and yet you clearly show us that you are incapable of this.
At the very beginning of your post you asserted that
jesus coming back to life is a HISTORICAL FACT that you can PROVE.
Further, you challenge me to prove this is NOT the case.
This points out 2 very important things:
1) You don't know what constitutes evidence, since I
can only assume your going to use your bible as the
source for proof of jesus's resurrection.
2) You ask me to prove a negative. Something a real debater
would NEVER ask because he understands the logical FLAW
of asking something so silly.
Now.... #1 needs some clarification, so why dont you provide
us with your PROOF that 1) Jesus even existed, since this is
still hotly debated, and #2) That he came back to life.
More importantly, explain to me why asking your opponent
to prove something is NOT true is so illogical.
If you can at least address issue #2, and identify your
logical error, then I will accept the challenge to your formal
debate under set of debating rules which allow for OBJECTIVE
scoring.
But first, lets see if you are even capable of reasoning correctly
by identifying and describing in detail why it is silly to ask
someone to prove something is NOT true.
A college debate professor would shoot you down in an instant
for doing this. Explain why.
peace
axeman
Who's brainwashing these guys anyway? I'm starting to get the impression its all based on the diatribe of some talk radio star. And Rogue had those cute cartoons, where did they come from? The religious right must be on some "Cult of Atheism" kick, where they all equate atheism with abortion, communism, etc. etc. Must be the new party line.