Blah blah blah blah.... 777 speaks nonsense again.
Listen to his babbling:
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AXE:I can find multiple people who have directly contradictory
knowledge to YOURS via the use of faith.
777:First, you cannot prove that the practice of faith is the same as my practice of faith.
Secondly, the perceptions and experiences of others who have different experiences do not in themselves constitute a proof that contradictory perceptions and experiences are false. This is false reasoning.
In fact...I FAITH right now that you are absolutely wrong.
777: I don't doubt you do. You practice your atheism with full faith and confidence.
AXE:This proves just how inconsistent your voo doo belief system
is and therefore proves how useless it is.
777:You have proved nothing beyond having a faith in a different concept of what ultimate reality is.
AXE:You have NEVER addressed this issue, except to take the
POMPOUS position that ONLY YOUR FAITH is true, and any
faith which contradicts yours must be false.
777: False. I have never stated my faith is the only faith. What I have stated is that there can be only one faith in Absolute God. How it is practiced may differ according to one's understanding, but there is only one Supreme God, not two. Faith in Supreme God is a true faith, faith in less than supreme God is a false faith.
AXE:Of course, you NEVER provide a reason WHY this is the case
and why we should believe such nonsense.
777:Those who seek absolute knowledge, absolute happiness, perfect love, everlasting life would seek the source of those experiences. The source of those experiences is God.
AXE:If a madman tells me he hears voices from god that tell
him to shoot people, using your logic, his direct perceptions
must be accepted as true.
777:Who can say? I can doubt his experiences, but I have no certainty that what he says is false. Just as if someone says they see the color red where I see the color blue, who is to say what the real color is, and how it should be seen?
AXE:He is NOT simply a mentally ill FU**, he is using FAITH,
and the voices he hears MUST be true since he directly
experienced them.
777:He is labeled by society as mentally ill according to the norms of the society. In the same way society labels religious belief as real and sane. The field of mental health has not concluded that faith in God is an illusion, faith is accepted as a part of human nature and a means of knowing.
AXE:Problem is, his internal voices are not testable, falsifiable
or verifiable....and here is the KEY part....*** JUST LIKE YOURS!!! ***
777:No, they are not testable, only his actions are. If his actions are not within the realm of societal norms, he suffers the fate of his actions in society if they are harmful to others.
AXE:I have no way to tell the difference between this
SICKO MENTAL patient and YOU!
777:Then you have no way of observing behavior. Mental health is determined by behavior by mental health professionals, and they can determine if someone is sane or not on that basis. No one who is high functioning, yet at the same time has faith in God is deemed mentally ill by mental health professionals.
AXE:As far as im concerned, if you really think you have these
magical powers which allow ONLY YOU to communicate with
a mythical creator of the WHOLE universe, then I can
only conclude you have serious mental issues
777:As far as you are concerned is an opinion, nothing more. Fact is that I have never claimed to have magical powers. Prove that I said that. You can't, because I didn't say that.
777:In addition, I have never said that anyone cannot practice faith in Supreme God. anyone can practice faith in God. The ability is inherent within all human beings.
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So now for the SUMMARY. What has 777 said in this post?
1) You cannot prove that the practice of faith is the same as my practice of faith
2) HIS (777's) faith is NOT the only faith
3) There can only be ONE faith in an absolute god
4) There is only one supreme god
5) Faith in Supreme God is a true faith
6) Faith in less than supreme God is a false faith
7) God is the source of absolute knowledge
8) If a madman hears voices from god to kill people, this may
in fact be the case.
9) "Faith is accepted as a part of human nature and a means of knowing."
10) I have never claimed to have magical powers
11) Anyone can practice faith in God.
There we have it. Now lets analyze this.
1) First of all, does ANYONE see a proof here? NO! Of course not.
Again proving my assertion that 777 has never backed up his nonsense.
2) He has never proven #5, #6, #7, or #9, AND has not even proven that this supposed god
he communicated with even exists.
3) #10 is obviously false, because 777 HAS claimed to have the magical power
to communicate with the creator of the universe, and always implies that HIS ability
to do this is TRUE, whereas MINE or anyone elses which contradicts his is FALSE.
Even though he cannot prove this.
4) He continues to dodge the main problem in his silly belief system, and refuses to answer
my main question which points out the HUGE hole in his silly hypothesis.
Here goes again for all to see. Now watch carefully, because he will wiggle his way out of this again.
If person A uses his FAITH in the ONE TRUE ABSOLUTE GOD, to acquire knowledge that
person B's faith is a FALSE faith in a FALSE god, then 777 MUST agree this is true.
HOWEVER:
Person B uses his FAITH in the ONE TRUE ABSOLUTE GOD, to acquire knowledge that
person A's faith is a FALSE faith in a FALSE god, then 777 MUST agree this is true.
Oooops.... CONTRADICTION TIME!
This is why this is so silly. I can have FAITH that 777 is wrong. But he will simply reject this
and CLAIM that its a different faith. Or a faith in the wrong god, or some other stupid excuse.
But he does NOT apply this SAME standard to himself.
HIS faith is the correct faith.
HIS faith is in the one true god.
ANYONE elses faith which CONTRADICTS *HIS* faith in anyway, is AUTOMATICALLY redefined
as being WRONG.
This is completely fallacious and he knows it.
A system of faith, that is NOT falsifiable, that is always correct, by simply changing the definition
to include all challenges to it as being false, is NO FAITH AT ALL. It is simply a fiction.
Ever hear of the True Irishmen fallacy? Look it up. That is exactly what 777's entire belief
system is rooted in.
He simply defines his faith as:
The one true faith in the one true absolute god, which I 777 posses
that cannot be contradicted by any other persons faith in the
world, or by my very own defiintion, means their faith is false.
Sorry 777... it doesnt work that way.
I can just as easily claim that *MY* faith is:
The one true faith in the one true absolute god, which I AXEMAN posses
that cannot be contradicted by any other persons faith,
in the world, ESPECIALLY 777's, or by my very own definition,
means their faith is false.
You have been thoroughly debunked 777.
peace
axeman
Listen to his babbling:
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AXE:I can find multiple people who have directly contradictory
knowledge to YOURS via the use of faith.
777:First, you cannot prove that the practice of faith is the same as my practice of faith.
Secondly, the perceptions and experiences of others who have different experiences do not in themselves constitute a proof that contradictory perceptions and experiences are false. This is false reasoning.
In fact...I FAITH right now that you are absolutely wrong.
777: I don't doubt you do. You practice your atheism with full faith and confidence.
AXE:This proves just how inconsistent your voo doo belief system
is and therefore proves how useless it is.
777:You have proved nothing beyond having a faith in a different concept of what ultimate reality is.
AXE:You have NEVER addressed this issue, except to take the
POMPOUS position that ONLY YOUR FAITH is true, and any
faith which contradicts yours must be false.
777: False. I have never stated my faith is the only faith. What I have stated is that there can be only one faith in Absolute God. How it is practiced may differ according to one's understanding, but there is only one Supreme God, not two. Faith in Supreme God is a true faith, faith in less than supreme God is a false faith.
AXE:Of course, you NEVER provide a reason WHY this is the case
and why we should believe such nonsense.
777:Those who seek absolute knowledge, absolute happiness, perfect love, everlasting life would seek the source of those experiences. The source of those experiences is God.
AXE:If a madman tells me he hears voices from god that tell
him to shoot people, using your logic, his direct perceptions
must be accepted as true.
777:Who can say? I can doubt his experiences, but I have no certainty that what he says is false. Just as if someone says they see the color red where I see the color blue, who is to say what the real color is, and how it should be seen?
AXE:He is NOT simply a mentally ill FU**, he is using FAITH,
and the voices he hears MUST be true since he directly
experienced them.
777:He is labeled by society as mentally ill according to the norms of the society. In the same way society labels religious belief as real and sane. The field of mental health has not concluded that faith in God is an illusion, faith is accepted as a part of human nature and a means of knowing.
AXE:Problem is, his internal voices are not testable, falsifiable
or verifiable....and here is the KEY part....*** JUST LIKE YOURS!!! ***
777:No, they are not testable, only his actions are. If his actions are not within the realm of societal norms, he suffers the fate of his actions in society if they are harmful to others.
AXE:I have no way to tell the difference between this
SICKO MENTAL patient and YOU!
777:Then you have no way of observing behavior. Mental health is determined by behavior by mental health professionals, and they can determine if someone is sane or not on that basis. No one who is high functioning, yet at the same time has faith in God is deemed mentally ill by mental health professionals.
AXE:As far as im concerned, if you really think you have these
magical powers which allow ONLY YOU to communicate with
a mythical creator of the WHOLE universe, then I can
only conclude you have serious mental issues
777:As far as you are concerned is an opinion, nothing more. Fact is that I have never claimed to have magical powers. Prove that I said that. You can't, because I didn't say that.
777:In addition, I have never said that anyone cannot practice faith in Supreme God. anyone can practice faith in God. The ability is inherent within all human beings.
---------------------------------
So now for the SUMMARY. What has 777 said in this post?
1) You cannot prove that the practice of faith is the same as my practice of faith
2) HIS (777's) faith is NOT the only faith
3) There can only be ONE faith in an absolute god
4) There is only one supreme god
5) Faith in Supreme God is a true faith
6) Faith in less than supreme God is a false faith
7) God is the source of absolute knowledge
8) If a madman hears voices from god to kill people, this may
in fact be the case.
9) "Faith is accepted as a part of human nature and a means of knowing."
10) I have never claimed to have magical powers
11) Anyone can practice faith in God.
There we have it. Now lets analyze this.
1) First of all, does ANYONE see a proof here? NO! Of course not.
Again proving my assertion that 777 has never backed up his nonsense.
2) He has never proven #5, #6, #7, or #9, AND has not even proven that this supposed god
he communicated with even exists.
3) #10 is obviously false, because 777 HAS claimed to have the magical power
to communicate with the creator of the universe, and always implies that HIS ability
to do this is TRUE, whereas MINE or anyone elses which contradicts his is FALSE.
Even though he cannot prove this.
4) He continues to dodge the main problem in his silly belief system, and refuses to answer
my main question which points out the HUGE hole in his silly hypothesis.
Here goes again for all to see. Now watch carefully, because he will wiggle his way out of this again.
If person A uses his FAITH in the ONE TRUE ABSOLUTE GOD, to acquire knowledge that
person B's faith is a FALSE faith in a FALSE god, then 777 MUST agree this is true.
HOWEVER:
Person B uses his FAITH in the ONE TRUE ABSOLUTE GOD, to acquire knowledge that
person A's faith is a FALSE faith in a FALSE god, then 777 MUST agree this is true.
Oooops.... CONTRADICTION TIME!
This is why this is so silly. I can have FAITH that 777 is wrong. But he will simply reject this
and CLAIM that its a different faith. Or a faith in the wrong god, or some other stupid excuse.
But he does NOT apply this SAME standard to himself.
HIS faith is the correct faith.
HIS faith is in the one true god.
ANYONE elses faith which CONTRADICTS *HIS* faith in anyway, is AUTOMATICALLY redefined
as being WRONG.
This is completely fallacious and he knows it.
A system of faith, that is NOT falsifiable, that is always correct, by simply changing the definition
to include all challenges to it as being false, is NO FAITH AT ALL. It is simply a fiction.
Ever hear of the True Irishmen fallacy? Look it up. That is exactly what 777's entire belief
system is rooted in.
He simply defines his faith as:
The one true faith in the one true absolute god, which I 777 posses
that cannot be contradicted by any other persons faith in the
world, or by my very own defiintion, means their faith is false.
Sorry 777... it doesnt work that way.
I can just as easily claim that *MY* faith is:
The one true faith in the one true absolute god, which I AXEMAN posses
that cannot be contradicted by any other persons faith,
in the world, ESPECIALLY 777's, or by my very own definition,
means their faith is false.
You have been thoroughly debunked 777.
peace
axeman
