POLL: What is the World's Most Evil Religion?

GA said:

I did not say that YOU DONT KNOW WHAY YOU BELIEVE but rather YOU have NOT demonstrated beyond a reasonable doupt as to pursuade me to believe in the notion that the Bible is ridiculous...



Earlier GA said:

again if you don't know what to believe then why are you so adamantly against all opposing arguments?



Ugh yeah.... I rest my case.



peace

axeman
 
Other theists on ET have put forth FAR stronger arguments
than anything you have produced so far.

Your arguments have been the "weakest" of christian arguments
that I typically come across which all sit on the vast assumptions
that the bible is TRUE and that god even exists.

If this is true then you should be able to give clear logical arguments on the subject and explain why you are an ex-Christian (as if there is such a thing?)





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Atheism is as much a religion as Islam.
It would take more faith to be an Atheist than to believe in God.


I have not seen anything demonstrated by your worldview to suggest the contrary. All you have done is make railing accusations and Name calling. If you were trying to win me over with pursuasive arguement - then you have failed in your endevour.

You claim that there is no God but yet you insist on evolution.
You have NO proof of Macroevolution within the fossil record.
There is NO proof of one species changing into another within the fossil record.

I have given YOU proof the the Bible is divine rather than human in origin.

I have demonstrated what I believe and why I believe it.
If you dissagree then the burden of proof is on YOU.
The challenge has been put on the table for YOU to prove me wrong.

What YOU choose to do with it is up to you.

I do believe that I have exhausted the subject and my proposition has gone unchallenged.

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The issue is KILL vs. murder.

Killing is the act of taking a life in just retrobution and judgement for sin.

Murder is the act of taking an innocent life without just cause.

For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life.



If we discovered that god existed, does that automatically
make it rational to kill infants when you get angry at
the actions of another????????????????????????????

It is not rational to kill infants that is why ABORTION is WRONG!

Would this make it moral?
NO.

Or would such horrific actions ONLY be moral when god does
them and not man??

God is Lord of the universe and again you have not understood God's law.

That is a very complex question.
It is not complex. You simply refuse to deal with the issue.



Or would this simply make killing innocents moral?

I already answered that question.
The killing of the innocent is wrong.

"The soul that sinneth shall die". NOT the innocent shall die.


A text of a dialogue with a creationist:

": What is the principle evidence for Creationism?

Christianity is NOT a blind leap into a dark chasm but rather is faith based on reputable fact.

A: The Holy Bible. The Holy Bible is divine rather than human in origin. We have: Manuscript evidence, Archeological evidence, Prophetic evidence, Statistical probability.

Q: But isn't the Bible religion and not science?

A: NO. the Bible is actually 66 books written by over 40 different authors spanning a period of about 1200 years. Many of the historical writers knew nothing about the plan of redemption. Many of the writers did not know each other and did not know that the others were writing.



Q: But isn't there a lot of evidence for evolution?
A: No. The fossil records do not bare it out.


Q: What about the fossil evidence?
A: There is NO PROOF of macroevolution demonstrated within the fossil record. The fossil record is the biggest embarrassment to evolutionary theory. Again there is NO evidence of translation of one species to another within the fossil record.

Q: Is there any other evidence for Creationism besides the Bible?
A: Yes.

Q: Can you give us some?
A: Yes.

Q: Could you give us a specific example?

A: Yes. Creation is by complex design which demands a complex designer. Nothing from nothing yields nothing. You can not get something from nothing. Mater must be present in order to have substance. Mater has to have a beginning and a creator.

The human eye for example is highly complex in its makeup and design. Such an event would not and could not come into existence simply by chance. The human eye must have a creator.
The car engine is another example. The car engine was not self existent but was rather created by complex human design and NOT by chance.

Q: What be a specific example of evidence for Creationism?
A: I've already answered that question.


Q: Did the dinosaurs coexist with man?
A: There is some evidence that during the life of Job in the Book of Job in the Old Testament "dragon" like beast such as leviathan lurked in the fields.

Q: Should Creationism be taught along with Evolution in the schools?
A: YES.

Q: Doesn't the Geologic Column prove that the Earth is very old?
A: An argument could be given for an "Old Earth" theory but that is beyond the scope of the topic at hand.

Q: Hasn't Evolution been demonstrated in the laboratory?
A: Im sure it has been attempted to no avail. Again there is NO evidence of Macroevolution within the fossil record.
Without the fossil record you have no evolutionary theory.



Q: Doesn't genetic variation indicate that life has been going on a
long time?
A: Since the beginning of Adam in the garden of Eden life on Earth has continued.

Q: What about Neanderthal Man?
A: Piltdown Man, Neanderthal Man, pithecanthropus Erectus and the like are ALL FAKE! they owe their origin to human ingenuity & creativity. All of the above have been proven within the scientific community to be false and made up.

Q: Why do almost all of the scientists believe in Evolution?
A: There is no evidence to suggest that. There are many scientist that believe in creation.
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Again you have attacked the messenger and not the message.
You are simply running away from the argument. I did not say that YOU DONT KNOW WHAY YOU BELIEVE but rather YOU have NOT demonstrated beyond a reasonable doupt as to pursuade me to believe in the notion that the Bible is ridiculous or that my assertion that the Fossil record is an embarrasment to evolutionary theory.

It would appear that you are not well prepared nor equiped to logically and reasonably debate the issue without name calling and cracking jokes. I believe that this is a serious issue worth examining. Come back when you are well equiped to answer the questions without resorting to adolesent behavior.
 
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GA said:

I did not say that YOU DONT KNOW WHAY YOU BELIEVE but rather YOU have NOT demonstrated beyond a reasonable doupt as to pursuade me to believe in the notion that the Bible is ridiculous...



Earlier GA said:

again if you don't know what to believe then why are you so adamantly against all opposing arguments?



Ugh yeah.... I rest my case.



peace

axeman
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How soon we forget?

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25092&perpage=6&pagenumber=22

"As an atheist, I DO NOT KNOW, why the universe exists, and
that is fine with me. Far better than making up fairy tale
crap to make myself feel better."

There are atheist who DO KNOW why they are atheist and can give a reason for thier belief system.

.....can YOU?
 
rather than argue with uninformed loudmouths, i think it would be more interesting to hear what people like axeman, RM, LongShot, etc. think about the universe (if they don't mind sharing). i realize you guys probably won't claim you KNOW what's going on, but i think it'd be interesting to read what thoughts you guys have.
 
"YOU have NOT demonstrated beyond a reasonable doupt as to pursuade me to believe in the notion that the Bible is ridiculous... "



Yeah right....isn't obvious? Lets see here...

1) Magic dude created the whole universe and all of us, but nothing had to create HIM


2) Water turning to blood


3) God sends wild animals sent to kill infants, but THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!


4) Hippie dude coming back to life after proclaiming to die for OUR sins.



5) Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."

Versus: Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, W
hy loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."




6) Throw in some salvery:
Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."

Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it."





7) Oooops...god changes his mind after saying he never changes.
I guess he must be bipolar. :D

Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."

Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth . . . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made him





8) Is god confused here? Truly bipolar :D

Exodus 20:5 "For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation." (Repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9)

Ezekiel 18:20 "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."





9) Gee....wish he would make up his sick mind :d

Psalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all."

Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."





10) Wow!!! What a setup. God is worse than the mob! :D

James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."

Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."





11) Hmmmm your supposed to believe in this fairy tale, but no
one has even ever seen him?

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live."

Oh wait a second!!!

Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."
Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."

Gee... what a liar!!! :D






Shall I go on???

Oh wait.... I dont know a damn thing about the christian bible.
I better stop while im behind :p LMAO!


The most ridiculous and contradictory fairy tale I have ever read! :D


peace

axeman
 
Are you mentally retarded??

Are you incapable of seeing the difference between
the meaning of these two sentences:

1) As an atheist, I DO NOT KNOW, why the universe exists, and
that is fine with me.


2) I do not know what I BELIEVE.


You read that I dont know why the universe exists, and
somehow managed to translate this to mean that I
dont know what I BELIEVE! LMAOOOO :D

Wow... you have some serious issues dude.
Learn to READ before you reply. :p


I know EXACTLY why I am an atheist and WHY I dont believe
in your fairy tales. Can you say NO RATIONAL REASON to
believe such nonsense without proof?


peace

axeman



Quote from Guardian Angel:



How soon we forget?

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25092&perpage=6&pagenumber=22

"As an atheist, I DO NOT KNOW, why the universe exists, and
that is fine with me. Far better than making up fairy tale
crap to make myself feel better."

There are atheist who DO KNOW why they are atheist and can give a reason for thier belief system.

.....can YOU?
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GA said:

I did not say that YOU DONT KNOW WHAY YOU BELIEVE but rather YOU have NOT demonstrated beyond a reasonable doupt as to pursuade me to believe in the notion that the Bible is ridiculous...



Earlier GA said:

again if you don't know what to believe then why are you so adamantly against all opposing arguments?



Ugh yeah.... I rest my case.



peace

axeman
 
The Holy Bible.

The Holy Bible is divine rather than human in origin.

We have:

1) Manuscript evidence
2) Archeological evidence
3) Prophetic evidence
4) Statistical probability.

Once you have exhausted the above YOU too will be faced with overwhelming evidence as to origin of the Bible being divine.


The scriptures speak for themselves.


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Quote from LongShot:

Bertrand Russell:

"Why, I should say, 'God, you gave us insufficient evidence.'"

Al Seckel, in Preface to Bertrand Russell on God and Religion


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"But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in thier hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.

Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that thier minds became dark and confused. Claming to be wise, they became fools instead. And instead of worshipping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes.

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen"

Romans 1:18-25


"So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made them all look foolish and has shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save all who believe. God's way seems foolish to the Jews because they want a sign from heaven to prove it is true.
And it is foolish to the Greeks because they believe only what agrees with their own wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended, and the Gentiles say it's all nonsense. But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Chist is the mighty power of God and the wonderful wisdom of God. This "foolish" plan of God is far wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God's weakness is far stronger than the greatest of human strength."


1 Corinthians 1:20-25






Here is a record of what I have communicated thus far on the subject.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=381807#post381807




This link should also be VERY helpful.

http://www.equip.org/


Here is a download for further study on the issue at hand.
 

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The holy bible is as much evidence as the Illiad
is evidence of zeus! Did you believe in the greek
gods after reading greek mythology?

Didnt think so. :D


1) Manuscript evidence

For example?

2) Archeological evidence

For example?

3) Prophetic evidence

For example?


4) Statistical probability.

For example?
Oh this should be good. :D


Quick....submit this to the national academy of sciences, are
best scientists across all disciplines and immediately convert
those 97.3% of non-believers into christians. Good luck!
You will need it :D


peace

axeman



Quote from Guardian Angel:

The Holy Bible.

The Holy Bible is divine rather than human in origin.

We have:

1) Manuscript evidence
2) Archeological evidence
3) Prophetic evidence
4) Statistical probability.

Once you have exhausted the above YOU too will be faced with overwhelming evidence as to origin of the Bible being divine.


The scriptures speak for themselves.


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Quote from LongShot:

Bertrand Russell:

"Why, I should say, 'God, you gave us insufficient evidence.'"

Al Seckel, in Preface to Bertrand Russell on God and Religion


:-/
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"But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in thier hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.

Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that thier minds became dark and confused. Claming to be wise, they became fools instead. And instead of worshipping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes.

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen"

Romans 1:18-25


"So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made them all look foolish and has shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save all who believe. God's way seems foolish to the Jews because they want a sign from heaven to prove it is true.
And it is foolish to the Greeks because they believe only what agrees with their own wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended, and the Gentiles say it's all nonsense. But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Chist is the mighty power of God and the wonderful wisdom of God. This "foolish" plan of God is far wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God's weakness is far stronger than the greatest of human strength."


1 Corinthians 1:20-25






Here is a record of what I have communicated thus far on the subject.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=381807#post381807




This link should also be VERY helpful.

http://www.equip.org/


Here is a download for further study on the issue at hand.
More...
 
Quote from Guardian Angel:

The Holy Bible.

The Holy Bible is divine rather than human in origin.






This link should also be VERY helpful.

http://www.equip.org/


Here is a download for further study on the issue at hand.
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seriously, how does the guy on the site you list respond to axeman's multiple biblical contradictions ??

thanks,

surfer :)
 
And I could list HUNDREDS more...but whats the point?

It's all so silly.


It amazes me that any intelligent person could swallow
such ridiculous stories containing so many blatant errors.

Then they expect us to accept this as ample proof of the
greatest and most extraordinary claim possible.
Yeah right! :D

I think Einstein had to produce a little more than a book
full of fables and contradictions before his theory of
relativity was accepted by the scientific community :D

The bible does not even come close to constituting reputable evidence.


peace

axeman



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seriously, how does the guy on the site you list respond to axeman's multiple biblical contradictions ??

thanks,

surfer :)
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