POLL: What is the World's Most Evil Religion?

Quote from TriPack:



I'm saying that if the Bible's teachings are good then the Bible is good, and if they are bad then the Bible is bad. If you are happier after living the principles found in the Bible, then you can know that the book is good and that it contains true principles. If the principles in the book are true then you can know that the book is true.

Conversely, if you are made unhappy by living the principles, you will know that the principles are bad, and that the Bible is bad, and therefore it is not true.

The leap of faith comes in actually living those principles, and putting it to the test. Many here on this thread would rather only accept proof in a form as they demand it, rather than sincerely wanting to find out for themselves by putting the Bible to the test to know for themselves.
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So the fact that many people find happiness in believing in heaven is itself proof that heaven exists??
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:



The failed theist is often angry due to his failure with the practice of faith.

Rather than simply conclude that his former faith didn't work for him, he feels a need to prove that his failure with faith was not his failure, but that the practice of faith is categorically wrong as it relates to knowing God. The need extends beyond his own life, as a means of self defense and denial of his failure with faith. He must necessarily project his current belief systems about theism on to others.

This is commonly known as a sour grapes mentality.

Anyone can see your anger, which is irrational and not based in real time events. It is baggage from your past.

"It is for that reason that I frankly dont give a crap about
what I can only assume is your imagination."

Yes, you can only assume, as you don't have knowledge of my experience as being valid and true or not.

Were you able to let go of your anger and resentments toward theism due to your own personal failure, you could simply live and let live.

All you need to do is admit that you were a failure with faith....as clearly you were not a success with the practice and discipline of faith, and then you can let go of the rage you feel toward those who do have success with faith.
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C'mon, don't hide behind these ET assumed names. This is Dr. Phil talking isn't it? C'mon, you can be honest. I watch your show all the time. I'm a big fan. Thanks for chiming in on our discussion. I didn't recognize you at first, but you were bound to give it away sooner or later. Is it okay if I PM you about some therapy on diet and discipline (your favorite subject). I just can't stick to my diet, no matter how much I watch your show. Thanks again, and best wishes Doc! :D
 
"Get a clue 777. If faith DID work for me, it still would not
prove that god exists. I just would have an invisible
friend like YOU do! LMAOOOO"

Successful theists have no need to prove God exists any more than a man who loves his wife has a need to prove that to anyone else.

Where is it written that proof of God need necessarily conform to the standards of proof of that are limited to the senses and intellect? That would preclude that God is necessarily physical and must necessarily conform to our ideas of what ultimate logic and reality are.

In any relationship, love and closeness flow through the medium of faith and trust....it is a heart to heart relationship.

Say our beloved steps on our toe. We cry out in pain. Our beloved says "I am sorry, it was an accident, I didn't mean to harm you."

How do we know our beloved is truly sorry? How do we know with a mathematical certainty? There is no external proof, yet when we trust, love, and forgive the relationship deepens and grows stronger. Our heart stays open to our beloved.

In the same way, the theist forms a relationship with God via love and trust, the practice and discipline of faith.

That you failed in faith means that when you had a choice either to trust in God, or trust your own limited intellect, you made a choice to rely on your own limited intellect and reject faith in God. You made a decision that hardened your heart.

You could have doubted the doubt, you could have kept your heart open, and if you had, you would be a sucessful theist rather than the obviously bitter atheist you have become.
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:



It is obvious to anyone that if faith did work for you, you would not be an atheist.

You are a failed theist, and your perspective flows from that point of view.

Your consistent use of verbal abuse is enough for any reasonable person to see the unresolved issues you have with your failure in faith.
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I try to avoid lowering myself to the above level, but I'm tired of seeing it so much, so here goes:

You AGrogue Trader were born an atheist. But you started comprehending death when you were a tot and became so scared you couldn't sleep. So you had to have something that made you feel better, and you started clutching onto these tales of heaven, santa and afterlife. Of course, you outgrew the santa, but you never recovered from your failed atheism. So you must get over the preoccupation with death and the fear it inspired such that it caused you to pee in front of the other children at times. These issues stemming from your failed atheism still remain with you today, but you can overcome them!
 
Quote from I Missed Boat:



I try to avoid lowering myself to the above level, but I'm tired of seeing it so much, so here goes:

You AGrogue Trader were born an atheist. But you started comprehending death when you were a tot and became so scared you couldn't sleep. So you had to have something that made you feel better, and you started clutching onto these tales of heaven, santa and afterlife. Of course, you outgrew the santa, but you never recovered from your failed atheism. So you must get over the preoccupation with death and the fear it inspired such that it caused you to pee in front of the other children at times. These issues stemming from your failed atheism still remain with you today, but you can overcome them!
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I disagree. People are born agnostic, with no knowledge of God. There is a difference beweeen an agnostic and an atheist.

People are also born with no knowledge of the English language.

People are also born with no knowledge of many of the experiences they will have in life.

If people are open they can learn, if they are closed minded they will not learn.

If their hearts are closed, they will not experience love.

If someone's heart is hardened to God, they will not experience that love either.
 
sure, you can argue that all religion is SUPPOSED to be peaceful and loving, but almost every religion is one-minded. it has to be one way or else.

anything that humans will fight to the death over is evil in my book. so, pretty much every religion is evil.

you don't see monkeys, dolphins, or other species killing each other do you? what would you think would happen if they started imposing their own twisted beliefs on each other?

humans are a fascinating distaster.
 
Description of Poisoning the Well

This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person. This "argument" has the following form:


Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.

Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.

This sort of "reasoning" is obviously fallacious. The person making such an attack is hoping that the unfavorable information will bias listeners against the person in question and hence that they will reject any claims he might make. However, merely presenting unfavorable information about a person (even if it is true) hardly counts as evidence against the claims he/she might make. This is especially clear when Poisoning the Well is looked at as a form of ad Homimem in which the attack is made prior to the person even making the claim or claims. The following example clearly shows that this sort of "reasoning" is quite poor.

You frequently label theists as "delusional" and attempt to belittle them. These attacks are of a personal nature, and unnecessary as relates to the arguments at hand.

Use of ridicule and verbal abuse is a form of trying to discredit a person, and thus a form of poisoning the well.


http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html

Quote from axeman:

Arent you even capable of doing a google search?

Go find the definition of Poisoning the well, and catch a clue.
A joke is NOT poisoning the well.

But here is yet another example:
More evidence of your failed theism and the baggage yet

Now THAT is poisoning the well, that is, if you even
knew what the definition of that fallacy was, which you
obviously dont :D


peace

axeman
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Quote from funky:

sure, you can argue that all religion is SUPPOSED to be peaceful and loving, but almost every religion is one-minded. it has to be one way or else.

anything that humans will fight to the death over is evil in my book. so, pretty much every religion is evil.

you don't see monkeys, dolphins, or other species killing each other do you? what would you think would happen if they started imposing their own twisted beliefs on each other?

humans are a fascinating distaster.
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There is only one religion TODAY where a sizeable portion of its population insists (or sympathizes with those who do) that everyone must convert to their religion or die, and that all governments should be ruled by their religious doctrine. That is of course Islam.

Also, even in hisory there were religions that were tolerant.
 
Quote from I Missed Boat:



I try to avoid lowering myself to the above level, but I'm tired of seeing it so much, so here goes:

You AGrogue Trader were born an atheist. But you started comprehending death when you were a tot and became so scared you couldn't sleep. So you had to have something that made you feel better, and you started clutching onto these tales of heaven, santa and afterlife. Of course, you outgrew the santa, but you never recovered from your failed atheism. So you must get over the preoccupation with death and the fear it inspired such that it caused you to pee in front of the other children at times. These issues stemming from your failed atheism still remain with you today, but you can overcome them!
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Haha...I love it! The tables have turned! He's a failed atheist, lol!
 
Quote from axeman:




"You demand an answered to your ridiculous questions but yet you will not respond to a simple question."

Im not the one asserting grand claims such as biblical truth.
However you DO assert the grand claim such as there is no God.


I have every right to question such nonsense.
So do we have every right to question YOUR beliefs.



Point out what I have asserted and THEN you can ask me questions.

YOU have asserted that the Bible is nonsense but yet you lack the evidence to support this. You have simply taken text out of context and forced your interpretation on the text. You do not understand biblical history nor have you studied ancient customs and times. You do not understand Biblical hermeneutics or you would not have spoken as a child with glaring generalities.

Otherwise, this is nothing more than a complete DODGE to avoid
answering the questions which point out the GLARING errors
in YOUR atheist beliefs. Nice try.




Atheism is a religion????!?! Wow.... you are so clueless that you
don't even know that atheism is the LACK OF RELIGIOUS belief.
Are you truly THAT ignorant of what atheism is???
If you don't even understand what it is, how could you possibly
argue against it?

I understand MORE about atheism than YOU do.
I too did not believe until took the time to study the claims of the Bible for myself. Have you?




Well DUH... **HE** is the one asserting something, therefore
the burden of proof is on HIM.

Likewise *YOU* also have asserted that there is NO God.
so the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that there is no God or your belief has no grounds. This is basic scientific theory of epistemology which is apparently obvious you have not studied.

Its amazing that you are completely unaware of this simple concept.




AXE: If I cant explain why the universe is here, this IN NO WAY
lends ANY credibility to his weak position.


Helloooo...the lack of an explanation for one thing ** IS NOT **
equivalent to proof for someone else hypothesis.

However if YOU fail to give a rational, logical alternative explanation .............it does!

Nice try.



Well.... you have proven to us that you don't even understand
simple concepts like the burden of proof, or what even
constitutes proof.

The burden of proof is on the one who doubts, not the one who believes. You see the one that believes is already convinced on the subject so for you to assert an opposing argument to the contrary the burden of proof is on you. A real student of science would set out to discover truth with as much a clean lab coat on as possible as not to have already arrived at a conclusion without 1st examining the evidence.


Now put up, or shut up. Defend your silly biblical position
or go away.

Likewise you must do the same. Give us a REAL reason along with evidence as to why you disagree with the claims of the Bible.

Attempting to claim that (the Bible) is asserting things
which in fact it is NOT, and then demanding that (the Bible) answer questions for things which It did NOT assert, is an obvious
foolish game played by silly atheists, to avoid answering
any questions regarding their grand empty assertions.


Have a nice day :D



peace

GA


"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Genesis 1:1

You see the Bible IS asserting that God created the heavens and the earth. Christians believe this to be fact and atheist do not.
Can you offer a different alternative to this argument?

How do you explain the fact of origins. You can not remove origins from the argument.
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