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POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq
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Quote from daniel_m:
for all of america's famed uncouthness, it must be just kill all you eurodisnies to be left so far behind by american invention, american production and american culture (tell me it doesn't permeate throughout the world).
Well said daniel_m, I totally agree with you...
The Church of England has issued a prayer for the people of Iraq for use by parishes and congregations across Britain.
`Lord, we pray fervently for the people of Iraq
facing the horror of a full-scale war,
and for those people who may be called upon to fight.
Help us to persuade world leaders to continue negotiations.
Help all of us: individuals, nations, governments and world leaders
to remember --
the unnecessary loss of life for millions of innocent people,
the scale of human suffering that war brings,
the right of Iraqi people to determine their own future,
the gross violations of human rights and crimes against humanity
that are committed in the name of war,
nobody has total power over any country or its people but God alone.
Let us be open to God's words in our forthcoming decisions and try not to be God ourselves.´
`Lord, we pray fervently for the people of Iraq
facing the horror of a full-scale war,
and for those people who may be called upon to fight.
Help us to persuade world leaders to continue negotiations.
Help all of us: individuals, nations, governments and world leaders
to remember --
the unnecessary loss of life for millions of innocent people,
the scale of human suffering that war brings,
the right of Iraqi people to determine their own future,
the gross violations of human rights and crimes against humanity
that are committed in the name of war,
nobody has total power over any country or its people but God alone.
Let us be open to God's words in our forthcoming decisions and try not to be God ourselves.´
Quote from msfe:
The Church of England has issued a prayer for the people of Iraq for use by parishes and congregations across Britain.
`Lord, we pray fervently for the people of Iraq
facing the horror of a full-scale war...
* * *
Let us be open to God's words in our forthcoming decisions and try not to be God ourselves.´
Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/international/middleeast/02MILI.html?th
The Pentagon's war plan for Iraq calls for unleashing 3,000 precision-guided bombs and missiles in the first 48 hours of the opening air campaign, an effort intended to stagger and isolate the Iraqi military and quickly pave the way for a ground attack to topple a government in shock.
* * *
Military planners said the immediate goals would be to break the Iraqi Army's will to fight, driving large number of troops to surrender or defect â and offering them guarded sanctuary if they do â while cutting off the leadership in Baghdad in hopes of causing a rapid collapse of the government of President Saddam Hussein.
* * *
The air war would be significant for what the targets will not be as much as for what they will be. Because the United States wants to help rebuild Iraq quickly after any conflict, the air campaign is intended to limit damage to Iraqi infrastructure and to minimize civilian casualties.
"The challenges in this air campaign will be to achieve certain military and psychological effects at the outset, but have as much of the infrastructure existing when it's over," said Gen. Ronald R. Fogleman, a former Air Force chief of staff who is a member of the Defense Policy Board, a panel that advises Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.
`The world will suffer a bigger oil crisis than that during the Arab-Israeli conflict of 1973 if the US declares war on Iraq, according to leading US investment bank Goldman Sachs.´
http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,886977,00.html
`President Saddam Hussein of Iraq may have another weapon of mass destruction in his armoury - the economic effects of war. Changes in oil prices and the cost of conflict might just produce regime change in Saudi Arabia and recession for us all.´
http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,886597,00.html
http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,886977,00.html
`President Saddam Hussein of Iraq may have another weapon of mass destruction in his armoury - the economic effects of war. Changes in oil prices and the cost of conflict might just produce regime change in Saudi Arabia and recession for us all.´
http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,886597,00.html
Is a better Title to the above Link you have provided as:
Progressive = Communist, Socialist
Pure Socialist FILTH at its worst.
Pure Illogic, from start to finish.
Inother words Amercia should lay back and die because some disgruntled and dangerous Arabs have their own Homeland run by a Tribal Cabal.
Osama Bin Lauden was disgruntled at the Saudi Royal Family, hording all the Oil Wealth. Who's Fault is that.
Its their own FAULT.
READ THIS:
1. Stop blaming America. It's your fault (Arabs) Not ours.
2. Recognize Israel. Make peace, which Irsrael is willing to make with reasonable Arabs that don't want to destroy them.
3. Have your universities teach things more meaningful than Islamic studies.
American power isn't derived from Christian fundamentalism. It's derived from the way our system rewards inventiveness, which is why we're at the cutting edge.
4. Stop subjugating women. You're depriving your countries of half the human resources.
5. Stop control of the press. The American government can improve because problems can be pointed out and acted upon. If you pretend you live in a utopia, you'll end up living in a dystopia.
6. Stop sponsoring terrorism.
7. Condemn terrorism vocally. This is to all Muslims, whether in the Muslim countries or in the West. Organize "Not In Our Name" protests. We want to believe Islam is a Religion of Peace. But as long as the facts speak otherwise, we have a problem.
8. When the money we give you doesn't do shit improving the country, instead of asking for more, find out where it went. This will be helped if you do #5 first.
9. Demand accountability from your leaders. That's how America works. That makes us strong.
What you have to do:
Iraqis: Ask Saddam why is it that you are starving and are sent off to die in wars you have no say in starting while Saddam builds lavish palaces.
Iranians: Ask the mullahs why they aren't listening to any of these protests.
Jordanians: Ask why the army supresses political opposition.
Syrians: Ask why your leaders control Lebanon and drag the economies of BOTH countries to hell.
Saudis: Ask why the royal family takes so much of your country's income, but still needs Americans to protect their asses.
Kuwaitis: Ask why your government allows terrorists to kill Americans. You know, if Americans left, Iraqis will come back. You wouldn't want that, would you?
Palestinians: Ask Arafat what is it, exactly, that the intifada gave you except death, starvation, and absolute economic ruin.
10. Implement some sort of democracy. It will help #4, #5, and #9.
11. Have someone translate Victor Davis Hanson's Carnage and Culture. It'll provide you with a good insight into not just your militaries, but most of your problems.
12. End cargo cultism. You all pretend you have modern nation-states. You don't. You have tribal oligarchies.
That's the problem. You have "parliaments" and "presidents" and "elections" and airliners, and cars, and cities, but you don't have the stuff behind it.
Donald Rumsfeld said that the September 11th hijackers destroyed something they could never have built using technologies they could never have developed.
Nothing truer has ever been spoken. We have a powerful military and a prosperous economy because of capitalism, freedom, and an education system based on reason. You have an Islamic version of socialism, subjugation of women and non-Muslims, and an education based on a 7th century text.
Our government, is, on the whole, less corrupt than yours. We solve problems, instead of blaming others.
Admit it: it's not American imperialism.
It's the fact that you are ruled by corrupt tribal oligarchies, the fact that half your population is denied education, the fact that you are fixated on a text that has no relevance to the modern world, and the fact that your rulers stay in power by directing your discontent outward. ITS ALL YOUR FAULT.
Progressive = Communist, Socialist
Pure Socialist FILTH at its worst.
Pure Illogic, from start to finish.
Inother words Amercia should lay back and die because some disgruntled and dangerous Arabs have their own Homeland run by a Tribal Cabal.
Osama Bin Lauden was disgruntled at the Saudi Royal Family, hording all the Oil Wealth. Who's Fault is that.
Its their own FAULT.
READ THIS:
1. Stop blaming America. It's your fault (Arabs) Not ours.
2. Recognize Israel. Make peace, which Irsrael is willing to make with reasonable Arabs that don't want to destroy them.
3. Have your universities teach things more meaningful than Islamic studies.
American power isn't derived from Christian fundamentalism. It's derived from the way our system rewards inventiveness, which is why we're at the cutting edge.
4. Stop subjugating women. You're depriving your countries of half the human resources.
5. Stop control of the press. The American government can improve because problems can be pointed out and acted upon. If you pretend you live in a utopia, you'll end up living in a dystopia.
6. Stop sponsoring terrorism.
7. Condemn terrorism vocally. This is to all Muslims, whether in the Muslim countries or in the West. Organize "Not In Our Name" protests. We want to believe Islam is a Religion of Peace. But as long as the facts speak otherwise, we have a problem.
8. When the money we give you doesn't do shit improving the country, instead of asking for more, find out where it went. This will be helped if you do #5 first.
9. Demand accountability from your leaders. That's how America works. That makes us strong.
What you have to do:
Iraqis: Ask Saddam why is it that you are starving and are sent off to die in wars you have no say in starting while Saddam builds lavish palaces.
Iranians: Ask the mullahs why they aren't listening to any of these protests.
Jordanians: Ask why the army supresses political opposition.
Syrians: Ask why your leaders control Lebanon and drag the economies of BOTH countries to hell.
Saudis: Ask why the royal family takes so much of your country's income, but still needs Americans to protect their asses.
Kuwaitis: Ask why your government allows terrorists to kill Americans. You know, if Americans left, Iraqis will come back. You wouldn't want that, would you?
Palestinians: Ask Arafat what is it, exactly, that the intifada gave you except death, starvation, and absolute economic ruin.
10. Implement some sort of democracy. It will help #4, #5, and #9.
11. Have someone translate Victor Davis Hanson's Carnage and Culture. It'll provide you with a good insight into not just your militaries, but most of your problems.
12. End cargo cultism. You all pretend you have modern nation-states. You don't. You have tribal oligarchies.
That's the problem. You have "parliaments" and "presidents" and "elections" and airliners, and cars, and cities, but you don't have the stuff behind it.
Donald Rumsfeld said that the September 11th hijackers destroyed something they could never have built using technologies they could never have developed.
Nothing truer has ever been spoken. We have a powerful military and a prosperous economy because of capitalism, freedom, and an education system based on reason. You have an Islamic version of socialism, subjugation of women and non-Muslims, and an education based on a 7th century text.
Our government, is, on the whole, less corrupt than yours. We solve problems, instead of blaming others.
Admit it: it's not American imperialism.
It's the fact that you are ruled by corrupt tribal oligarchies, the fact that half your population is denied education, the fact that you are fixated on a text that has no relevance to the modern world, and the fact that your rulers stay in power by directing your discontent outward. ITS ALL YOUR FAULT.
I gotta agree with that last post... I am a convert to the cause of smoking out the evil doers and giving em justice... so lets go into Iraq, give em a good bombing, kill em off and rule that freakin country... and in return for liberating em (assuming there are any survivors), we have the right to take the oil... yeeehaaaa
Make no mistake about it.... we gonna rule da freakin world, cos we are the best!
Once we have taken Iraq, do you guys think it would be a good idea to create a permanent homeland for the Palestinians in north Iraq? This idea would help to reduce terrorism in Israel... maybe we can give the Palestinians who relocate to Iraq jobs in oilfields, pumping oil for our American oil companies...
God Bless America and Israel... united, they will defeat global terror!
Make no mistake about it.... we gonna rule da freakin world, cos we are the best!
Once we have taken Iraq, do you guys think it would be a good idea to create a permanent homeland for the Palestinians in north Iraq? This idea would help to reduce terrorism in Israel... maybe we can give the Palestinians who relocate to Iraq jobs in oilfields, pumping oil for our American oil companies...
God Bless America and Israel... united, they will defeat global terror!
Agin1415, you are asking reasonable enough questions.
The problem is that you are looking for logic which, so it seems, so many people don't appear to have.
Reasoning just doesn't appear to work.
I am sorry that I have come to the conclusion that the only language 'they' understand is violence but ................., if that is what it is then, by all means, let us educate them and let them endure another couple of centuries of dictatorship, being exploited.
Yesterday I heard some commentator say the very same thing which I have been saying for years i.e. some of these populations aren't ready for the luxury of a democracy (unfortunately).
freealways
The problem is that you are looking for logic which, so it seems, so many people don't appear to have.
Reasoning just doesn't appear to work.
I am sorry that I have come to the conclusion that the only language 'they' understand is violence but ................., if that is what it is then, by all means, let us educate them and let them endure another couple of centuries of dictatorship, being exploited.
Yesterday I heard some commentator say the very same thing which I have been saying for years i.e. some of these populations aren't ready for the luxury of a democracy (unfortunately).
freealways