POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq
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The double standards of US foreign policy never cease to amaze me... the US will probably do nothing than verbally reprimand North Korea, but will bomb the shit out of Iraq, just cos it wants the oil...
thing is, iraq poses absolutely zero threat to either the us or it's neighbors, the case against iraq is built on nothing but blatant lies from dubya.
excerpt: President Bush's case against Saddam Hussein, outlined in a televised address to the nation on Monday night, relied on a slanted and sometimes entirely false reading of the available US intelligence, government officials and analysts claimed yesterday.
"Basically, cooked information is working its way into high-level pronouncements and there's a lot of unhappiness about it in intelligence, especially among analysts at the CIA," said Vincent Cannistraro, the CIA's former head of counter-intelligence.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,807286,00.html
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Brent Scowcroft, the former National Security Advisor, says a U.S. invasion of Iraq "could turn the whole region into a cauldron and, thus, destroy the war on terrorism."
Henry Kissinger says, "The notion of justified pre-emption runs counter to modern international law, which sanctions the use of force in self-defense only against actual -- not potential -- threats." Kissinger also says, "American military intervention in Iraq would be supported only grudgingly, if at all, by most European allies."
Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) says the CIA has "absolutely no evidence" that Iraq possesses or will soon possess nuclear weapons.
Dick Armey, the House (Republican) Majority Leader, says, "I don't believe that America will justifiably make an unprovoked attack on another nation." He also says, "It would not be consistent with what we have been as a nation or what we should be as a nation."
http://www.moveon.org/nowar/
cheers
"Germany is a secular society predominantly Caucasian, 38% of the population is protestant and 34% catholic"
stu,
there are (probably) more practising Muslims in Germany than practising Protestants & Catholics combined ... in other secular societies like Iraq the majority of practising Muslims is (probably) even bigger.
regards
wild
stu,
there are (probably) more practising Muslims in Germany than practising Protestants & Catholics combined ... in other secular societies like Iraq the majority of practising Muslims is (probably) even bigger.
regards
wild
Obviously we agree on that aspect.
I have never said that the western way of life was bad. I think that today we are nearing a near perfect situation in western countries. It is not perfect but near.
That certainly was not the case 20/30 years ago.
But the foreign policy is just unbearable. And I don't think that Iraq represents a threat to western way of life.
By The way who amongst you have been to Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon even Indonesia.
I even have european friends that went to Syria and said to me that it was one of their most beautiful trip and that people were just very nice.
I have been to all those countries (except Indonesia and Syria) and I don't think that their way of life differs that much from Europe. You should travel a bit, especially Rs7. That would be the best thing you could do to yourself.
I have never said that the western way of life was bad. I think that today we are nearing a near perfect situation in western countries. It is not perfect but near.
That certainly was not the case 20/30 years ago.
But the foreign policy is just unbearable. And I don't think that Iraq represents a threat to western way of life.
By The way who amongst you have been to Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon even Indonesia.
I even have european friends that went to Syria and said to me that it was one of their most beautiful trip and that people were just very nice.
I have been to all those countries (except Indonesia and Syria) and I don't think that their way of life differs that much from Europe. You should travel a bit, especially Rs7. That would be the best thing you could do to yourself.
Just a remainder. The USA never had a womam President yet, a few prominent muslim countries already had a woman president or prime minister.
Indonesia have a woman president
Turkey a former woman as a prime minister
Pakistan a former woman as a prime minister
Indonesia have a woman president
Turkey a former woman as a prime minister
Pakistan a former woman as a prime minister
I just meant there were woman as president or prime minister of their countries.
Benazhur buttho and Tansu Ciller are still in politics and
Megawati Sukarnoputri is still president of Indonesia.
I also pasted a very good link to Rs7 about women in muslim countries and in general. I am quite tired of repeating the same things over and over again. So please Rs7, take the tie to read it and then draw your conclusion. But do not speak about things you don't know. You are accusing billions of people without any clear evidence. Instaed of doing that go to google and look for links. You will find that even in Iran women do vote. and that they have rights and that 60% of the student at universities are women???? Incredible isnt it.
http://www.bard.edu/bgia/bardpolitik/vol1/ii-article1.pdf
If the Bush administration is serious about fighting terrorism, perhaps they could start by stopping to terrorize the rest of the world with our, "gung ho -- we don't need your consent to go to war" policy.
If Iraq is a threat, than we can deal with that threat when it becomes actual and not hypothetical. It starts within the intelligence groups that give the administration their view of things. Bush and his spin doctors will then paint whatever picture is necessary to do whatever it is they want -- usually getting in bed with big oil and other large companies.
Is it just me, or does it feel like our government has already been bought out by special interest groups and large corporations? They're talking about privatizing the US Postal Service, but they've already privatived the executive, legislative and judicial systems.
What would Saddam have to do to prove to the US that they aren't a threat? The answer is nothing, because no matter what they do, the Bush team has already made up its mind to attack Iraq at some point. The only problem now is how they will justify the attack in the eyes of other nations. Sadly, even that won't be a problem soon, because the US is running its reputation into the ground.
If the world was a long street, it would be like the US, in the biggest house on the block, walked down a few houses and started to beat the shit out of Mr. Jones because Mr. Jones might vandalize something at some point in the future. All the other neighbors are pleading not to start shit on their street, but Mr. Jones still gets his ass kicked in the process. Mr. Jone's neighbor gets even more upset and calls his homies to do a drive-by on the US house because they're getting out of control. The US house gets hit and then, according to the Bush administration's way of solving problems, Mr. Dubya walks out of his mansion and lights up a thermonuclear warhead and then, not knowing who really did the drive-by, figures any house on the street is good enough to blow up.
It's all sick and twisted. The US is showing its worst right now to the rest of the world.
If Iraq is a threat, than we can deal with that threat when it becomes actual and not hypothetical. It starts within the intelligence groups that give the administration their view of things. Bush and his spin doctors will then paint whatever picture is necessary to do whatever it is they want -- usually getting in bed with big oil and other large companies.
Is it just me, or does it feel like our government has already been bought out by special interest groups and large corporations? They're talking about privatizing the US Postal Service, but they've already privatived the executive, legislative and judicial systems.
What would Saddam have to do to prove to the US that they aren't a threat? The answer is nothing, because no matter what they do, the Bush team has already made up its mind to attack Iraq at some point. The only problem now is how they will justify the attack in the eyes of other nations. Sadly, even that won't be a problem soon, because the US is running its reputation into the ground.
If the world was a long street, it would be like the US, in the biggest house on the block, walked down a few houses and started to beat the shit out of Mr. Jones because Mr. Jones might vandalize something at some point in the future. All the other neighbors are pleading not to start shit on their street, but Mr. Jones still gets his ass kicked in the process. Mr. Jone's neighbor gets even more upset and calls his homies to do a drive-by on the US house because they're getting out of control. The US house gets hit and then, according to the Bush administration's way of solving problems, Mr. Dubya walks out of his mansion and lights up a thermonuclear warhead and then, not knowing who really did the drive-by, figures any house on the street is good enough to blow up.
It's all sick and twisted. The US is showing its worst right now to the rest of the world.