POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq

[Josh_B]

US says it is ready to use nukes

Washington, Dec 11. (PTI): Warning Iraq and other countries that it may retaliate with "overwhelming force", the US today said it was ready to use nuclear weapons in response to an attack from Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD).

The admonition was included in the six-page strategy document prepared by the Administration which says that deterring attacks with the threat of overwhelming force were an essential element in protecting America and its allies from weapons of mass destruction (WMD)....


http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/03111412.htm

nukes??? against whom? If al-queda cells from Germany or France manage a biological terror attack here, whom are we going to nuke?

Iraq? Iran? China? France? Germany? N Korea? maybe Russia for selling the weapons in the black market? Saudi Arabia?

This is getting too much...


Josh

 

[rs7]

Quote from traderfut2000:




Mr Rs7,

How old are you my friend.. I told you a thousand times that women could vote in muslim countries yet like a blind man blinded by stupid propaganda you repeat the same thing over and over again. Yes women can vote in muslim countries and more than that they are in the congress and even ministers.

OK TF, certainly I may be misinformed. Where can Islamic women vote and hold office in Muslim countries? Or be part of the governments?

I truly wish to be enlightened. I truly admit to not being an expert on all the Muslim countries. But I think I specifically singled out our "allied friend" Saudi Arabia. What can women do there? Are their driver's license photos in color or black and white? And this is our great friend amongst those countries.

We agree on a lot of issues. We disagree on many. And we misunderstand each other on many. So indulge my lack of knowledge if I am wrong about points. Correct me. Don't insult me. I don't do it to you....do I? If you are offended that I stated I felt you used "cut and paste" too much, you should not be. My objective was to express only that I would rather listen to you than to those you quote. I can always read that stuff elsewhere. I enjoy being able to dialogue with you directly. Who needs "middlemen"? If I did not respect your thoughts and opinions, I would pay you no heed. But that is NOT how it is. So please, TF, lighten up. Maybe we will meet someday soon, and like you said, you can give me a tour of Paris.

Regarding that.....do you consume alchohol? What is your level of observance to the teachings of Islam? Me, I enjoy a good bacon cheeseburger in strict disobedience to my "religious beliefs" (for what they are worth to me). Just curious. Not important. Just wondering what it would be like to really hang out with my friend TF. And if you do not drink, that would have no effect on anything. This is purely a simple question driven by interest. No right or wrong answers. Just, like I said, curious.

Salaam,
rs7

 

[candletrader]

Quote from Josh_B:

US says it is ready to use nukes

Washington, Dec 11. (PTI): Warning Iraq and other countries that it may retaliate with "overwhelming force", the US today said it was ready to use nuclear weapons in response to an attack from Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD).

The admonition was included in the six-page strategy document prepared by the Administration which says that deterring attacks with the threat of overwhelming force were an essential element in protecting America and its allies from weapons of mass destruction (WMD)....


http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/03111412.htm

nukes??? against whom? If al-queda cells from Germany or France manage a biological terror attack here, whom are we going to nuke?

Iraq? Iran? China? France? Germany? N Korea? maybe Russia for selling the weapons in the black market? Saudi Arabia?

This is getting too much...


Josh

Yes, these crazy threats by the USA are getting too much... let's not also forget that the USA is the only country to have actually used nukes... the international community is being held at ransom by the maniacal nuclear blackmail of the tinpot US foreign policies...

 

[daniel_m]

Quote from traderfut2000:

Too strong...

You know what amuses me?? Macedonia is certainly further from progress and modernity than Let's say turkey and this guy says pompously : "Western way of life"....

Wake up man. Like if he was an american. Macedonia is certainly not america. Many people from eastern europe are even blaming the USa for what had happened to them.

Today their girls go to the west to prostiture themselves, there is an avalanche of Porn movies with eastern european girls. mafia is present everywhere and the injustice is just growing among those population.

Many friends from the fanatic muslim world studied in Russia or Ukrainia and said that if you had a few dollars you could buy whatever they want and with a few dollars they were treated like kings. So please stop with your western way of life thing that's just too funny.

You know how many russian I have seen in Turkey, how many models and people work in Turkey??? More than you could imagine.. So stop your fluff.

Only the son of a very rich MAcedonian can talk that way and be so arrogant. I don't think all the eastern european I met and who are nice guys are so arrogant and so happy to live a western life.

hey TF !

did i EVER claim the 'macedonian' way of life was the same as the 'western way of life' ???????????? you freakin ****.
the macedonian way of life is RUBBISH!!. (but it still shits on anything the muslims can offer up.)

and just to make it clear, when i talk of the western way of life, i'm certainly NOT referring to the backwards idiots in eastern europe -- although they are certainly making great advancements in places like Czech republic, Poland and Slovenia. (macedonia is way behind the 8ball, i know, no need to tell me...)

did i EVER claim to be an american????? (although i could quite easily be, my father is a citizen..)

and, i'm not ONLY macedonian, but i am a FULL australian citizen, idiot. so i most certainly DO know about 'western life' DUH! geez, can any one person talk more bullshit than you TF? i doubt it.

oh yeah, turkey. what a wonderland. did you, by any chance, go and check out the way of life in rural turkish villages? FAR cry from what you see in istanbul..

do you want to keep hurling UNFOUNDED accusations at me TF? aren't you tired of proving to everybody what a complete jackass you are?

you can fake your laugh as much as you want, but you know as well as i do the islam can't offer up anything even remotely close to the west. so suck on that !

another thing, you keep referring to me as macedonian this, macedonian that.... listen to me... I COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT MY HERITAGE!!!! does that satisfy you??? could there possibly be a more western outlook on life than that?????????

and wild, you and i have talked. i take it you're well aware that this is the angry side me of speaking, and that i am very well informed of the subjects of which i speak, and am quite amiable to changing my mind if a good, RATIONAL REASON is given to me. (perhaps unlike yourself, who seems to uncritically accept any and everything der Spiegel throws at him...)

oh, and you want some more cultural enrichment? you could always visit an old favorite of mine www.islamexposed.com

 

[daniel_m]

TF

before you go and make your routine accusations of me spreading 'propaganda', WHAT THE HELL DO YOU CALL THAT LAST ARTICLE YOU (again, routinely) CUT & PASTED???

btw, i noticed a similar phenomenon in california... all the hotties there going ga-ga over the idea of wrapping themselves in five layers of towels and being 2nd class slaves to their husbands...

 

[rs7]

Quote from daniel_m:



hey TF ! (apparently edited here by moderator...rightly so, but we know what was said nonetheless...better to "edit" than to censor).

i take it you're well aware that this is the angry side me of speaking,

Dan, you disappoint me. You are far too smart to let yourself get so excited. Don't unnecessarily blow your credibility with these outbursts. They defeat your positions.

I expect this from Smokey McPaat. Not you. Here I am saying I believed you to be among, if not THE most intelligent of all the ET posters. So your misbehavior now is not only self defeating, but a poor reflection on MY assessment. So go to your room and come out when you are ready to act like a good boy

Really Dan....you are wasting your talent and your insight. We have gone over this before. Cool it!

What purpose does this anger serve. You win, you win, you win by intelligent and well researched and well thought out responses. So than why blow it all by letting your temper get the best of you? Leave this dumb kind of response to me. I am too old to change and therefore hopeless (as demonstrated by my rising to the bait of Max). But for you and your youth, there is hope. Learn from the errors of MY ways!!

Peace,
Papa rs7

 

[candletrader]

The ignorant amongst you continue to confuse the domestic American way of life and US foreign policy... it is such a pity that some people's brains will never be capable of differentiating the two..

 

[wild]

Babak
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Registered: Jun 2001
Posts: 1387

12-11-02 05:59 PM
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Quote from wild:

"freedom"...

defined by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Ridge or Ashcroft ?
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The same freedom that allows you to criticise all of those mentioned above (and more). If you were to dare to do the same to their equivalents in a Muslim society, your fate would be sealed.

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia and try it?
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Discipline over conviction

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Babak,

1) with my question i haven´t criticised anyone of "those mentioned above" ... obviously.

2) i´m actually living in a largely Muslim society ... Germany.

3) there aren´t any "equivalents" to "those mentioned above" here ... obviously.

4) so far i´ve had no opportunity/reason to move to Saudi Arabia ... one of the closest friends of the US of A.

regards

wild

 

[daniel_m]

well i hope you're not classing ME in that category candles..

i'm well aware that US foreign policy needs to work with our western friends to preserve and proselytize our way of life

note: i don't include an unprovoked attack on iraq as good policy to that effect.

 

[wild]

Mosques (Moscheen) and Muslim associations in Berlin ...

Dachverband / Moschee Adresse PLZ Bezirk Telefon Fax
Berlin 030 - 030 -

DITIB e.V. Wiener Str. 12 10999 Kreuzberg 612 41 56 611 23 12

Merkez Moschee Wiener Str. 12 10999 Kreuzberg 618 65 10
Orhan Gazi Moschee Obentrautstr. 35 10963 Kreuzberg 251 25 09
Muradiye Moschee Kottbusser Damm 75 10967 Neukölln 694 32 77
Sehzade Moschee Karl-Marx-Str. 58 12043 Neukölln 623 27 94
Sehitlik Moschee Columbiadamm 128 10965 Neukölln 692 11 18 694 91 50
Bedir Moschee Weserstr.166 12045 Neukölln 686 09 16
Yunus Emre Moschee Utrechter Str. 33 13347 Wedding 456 26 28 / 59
Mescidi Aksa Moschee Soldiner Str. 72 13359 Wedding 494 66 40
Aksemsettin Moschee Bellermannstr. 90 13357 Wedding 493 50 26
Koca Tepe Moschee Nonnendammallee 97 13629 Siemensstadt 382 11 81
Selimiye Moschee Brunowstr. 61 13507 Tegel 434 65 65
Anadolu Moschee Katzlerstr.15 10827 Schöneberg 217 56 157
Osman Gazi Moschee Kaiser-Friedrich-Str. 92 10585 Charlottenburg 342 08 73

Islamische Föderation Berlin e.V. Boppstr. 4 10967 Kreuzberg 692 38 72 695 08 218

Berlin Vakif Moschee Boppstr. 4 10967 Kreuzberg 693 84 51
Fatih Moschee Pfuelstr. 5 10997 Kreuzberg 612 40 74
Mevlana Moschee Skalitzer Str. 135 10999 Kreuzberg 614 70 14 615 62 13
Ayasofya Moschee Stromstr. 39 10551 Tiergarten 395 89 06
Ensar Moschee Spandauer Damm 40 - 44 14059 Charlottenburg 321 67 17
Yeni Moschee Lynarstr. 17 13585 Spandau 335 30 52
Hasan Basri Moschee Nostitzstr. 19 10961 Kreuzberg 693 14 19
Emir Sultan Moschee Hauptstr. 15 10827 Schöneberg 781 10 20
Gazi Osman Pasa Moschee Schöneweiderstr. 11 12055 Neukölln 685 96 09
Haci Bayram Moschee Prinzenallee 25 - 26 13359 Wedding 493 90 58

VIKZ e.V. (Landesverband Berlin) Lindower Str. 18 13347 Wedding 461 70 26 461 23 21

Abdülmecid Moschee Mittenwalder Str. 6 10961 Kreuzberg 694 55 74
Hermannplatz Moschee Sonnenallee 18 12047 Neukölln 624 90 29
Neukölln Moschee Hermannstr. 177 12051 Neukölln 621 68 53
Beyazit Moschee Lindower Str. 18 13347 Wedding 461 70 26
Lübars Moschee Quickborner Str. 96 13439 Reinickendorf
Valide-i-Sultan Moschee Hedwigstr. 15 12159 Steglitz 859 31 66
Moabit Moschee Alt-Moabit 112 10559 Tiergarten 393 84 94 391 35 13
Süleymaniye Moschee Wilmersdorfer Str. 60 10627 Charlottenburg 323 20 85
Spandau Büyük Moschee Seeburger Str. 90 13581 Spandau 332 60 84

Schiiten

Imam Reza Moschee Reuter Str. 93 12053 Neukölln
Islam merkezi Dresdener Str. 8 10999 Kreuzberg
Imam Cafer Sadik Birligi Koloniestr. 106 13359 Wedding 492 51 75

Tasavvuf oder Sufi

Semerkant Moschee und Külliyesi Kurfürstenstr. 37 10785 Schöneberg 265 22 64 265 22 64
Kadiri Mescidi Karl-Marx-Str. 43 12043 Neukölln
Abdulkadir Geylani Moschee Kienitzer Str. 98 12049 Neukölln 622 33 79
Gavzul Azam Moschee Schleiermacherstr. 18 10961 Kreuzberg 692 74 81
Tekke-i-Muhayiddin Turiner Str. 6 13347 Wedding 456 66 47
Tariqa Burhaniya (Mekkanische Rose) Leibnizstr. 47 10629 Charlottenburg 681 12 00 323 14 19

Nurcu

Medretseti Nuriye Eisenbahnstr. 16 10997 Kreuzberg 611 69 26 611 50 95
Salah-ad-din Moschee Zwickauer Damm 78 12355 Reinickendorf
Medretseti Nuriye Schönleinstr. 15 10967 Neukölln

Kurdische Moscheen und Vereine

Scheikh Said Moschee Kottbusser Str. 8 10997 Kreuzberg

Alevitische Organisationen

Anatolisches Alevitisches Kulturzentrum Waldemarstr. 20 10999 Kreuzberg 616 58 394 616 58 395
Ehli Beyt Yolu, Alevi Kültür Cemiyeti Friedelstr. 34 12047 Neukölln 624 09 174 624 09 174

Sonstige Organisationen

Islamische Gemeinschaft Milli Görüs Kottbusser Damm 75 10967 Neukölln 698 078 20/21 698 078 10
Mevlana Jugend-Etage Kottbusser Damm 75 10967 Neukölln 615 21 81
Yavuz Sultan Selim Moschee Karl-Marx-Str. 179 12043 Neukölln 686 86 67 680 59 730
Mimar Sinan Moschee Barfußstr. 8 13349 Wedding
Islamischer Frauenverein Graefestr. 19 10967 Kreuzberg 694 94 07 694 94 07
P. Mohamad Moschee Wildenbruchstr. 70 12045 Neukölln 687 87 18
Mehmet Akif Moschee Schwedenstr. 18 13357 Wedding 491 82 92
Haus der Weisheit e.V. Rostocker Str. 21 10553 Tiergarten 395 76 29 396 28 59
Al Falah Moschee Melanchtonstr. 23 10557 Tiergarten 392 81 24
Selbsthilfeprojekt für Frauen Hauptstr. 36 10827 Schöneberg 788 55 54 782 22 50
Islamische Gemeinschaft
deutschsprachiger Muslime e.V. Geßlerstr. 11 10829 Schöneberg 788 48 83 788 48 83
Bosnisches Islamisches Kulturzentrum Skalitzer Str. 104 10997 Kreuzberg 611 90 26 611 90 26
Islamic Relief Gitschiner Str. 17 10969 Kreuzberg 611 26 00 612 83 405
Islamischer Verein für
wohltätige Projekte e.V. Skalitzer Str. 33 10999 Kreuzberg 618 67 64
Islamisches Kultur- und
Erziehungszentrum Finowstr. 27 12045 Neukölln 681 57 17 688 51 00
El Irchat e.V. Flughafenstr. 79 12049 Neukölln 627 05 116
Al Nur Moschee Glasower Str. 18 12051 Neukölln 628 33 20 628 33 19
Xhamia Isa Beuy Karl-Marx-Str. 58 12043 Neukölln 624 26 05 624 26 05
Deutschsprachiger Muslimkreis (DMK) Drontheimer Str. 16 13359 Wedding 49 91 27 04 49 91 27 04
Frauenshura des DMK Drontheimer Str. 19 13359 Wedding
Islam Institut Berlin Pilnitzer Weg 24 13593 Spandau
Bosnische Isabey Moschee Flughafenstr. 17 12053 Neukölln 622 66 22
Sultan Ahmet Moschee Lehrter Str. 38 10557 Tiergarten 394 52 70
Hicret Moschee Perleberger Str. 14 10559 Tiergarten 398 75 444 398 75 446
Muslimische Info.- und Bildungsgemeinschaft Böckhstr. 47 - 48 10967 Kreuzberg 691 39 34
Kûba Moschee Crellestr. 44 10827 Schöneberg 784 86 81
Vahdet (Kulturverein) Reichenberger Str. 147 10999 Kreuzberg 611 88 91 610 73 750

Stand: September 2001