POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq

[traderfut2000]

I told you forget about me.

So basically, you're what max is to rs7. A parasite. You bring nothing and you try to find something to say about my posts. The thing is you have nothing to say so you keep on attacking so continue if you want. I won't answer your posts anymore.

Quote from stu:

Traderfut

If you hadn't lost your case before you have now. Your response to provocation is to spew out worse insult.

You have a bad agenda, obviously from your outburst it is clear that it is as intolerant and as worthless as your worst adversary's.

Time to go back to cut & paste it seems

 

[daniel_m]

Quote from traderfut2000:

I am really sorry to speak that way.
But when I read what the Orthodox are doing to 40% of your own population I just want to say one think FUCK you fat ass.

I know what the serbs did to bosnians and the genocide they did and I just discover that your country is another fascist state that practises ethnic cleansing and discrimination over 40% of its own population.

Let's just say There is not debate with fascist like you.

So fuck off and go back to your country instead of poluting australian beaches with your skin full of muslim blood.

asshole

hahahahah! that seems to be all you are capable of doing isn't it TF? hurling unfounded accusations one after the other!

get this through your cosmically stupid skull you stupid shmuk - I AM NOT ORTHODOX! I AM NOT EVEN CHRISTIAN. I DETEST CHRISTIANITY!

so OBVIOUSLY i detest the fact that people in my country hate themselves over religious matters! DUH!

but you are INCREDIBLY stupid to think that you would know more about the history of and situation in MY OWN COUNTRY you deadhead!

if you were a person capable of a normal, point by point discussion, i would happily debate you on the history of the balkans! (not to mention totally kick your ass at it )

and you needn't worry about my honesty - i'm fully capable of facing facts, and i have no agenda to uphold.

at the end of the day, the story is the same: you aren't capable of bringing any rational discussion to the table, so you resort to personal attacks by calling me a 'fascist' and a 'racist' blah blah.

come on bro, grow up a bit will ya?

and just to comment on some of the absurd points u made:

firstly, albanians constitute 25% of the Macedonian population, not 40%. secondly, YES some of them have suffered at Orthodox hands, and I GUARANTEE you that, since the albanians are a majority in the parts of the country they live in, MACEDONIANS have equally suffered at albanian hands! TWO WRONGS! get it? or does Muhammed command you to defend the muslim side at all costs and let's not let truth get in the way of a good story?
thirdly, just because SOME OTHER orthodox people done something wrong to some muslim somewhere, why fuck ME? what the hell did i do? if anyone asks me, i'm always preaching that we need to find a way to get along! (and, for the most part, we ARE getting along - remember, i actually lived there, not you!)

go back to my own country? oh, but i'm an australian citizen, this IS my own country! i'm sorry to all the aussies about the pollution i'm causing though!

and, one more time, there most certainly CAN be debate with a "guy like me". but that would require the other party to bring facts to the table, or to be prepared to RATIONALLY ARGUE for their claims. that is something you seem completely incapable of doing. but should you manage to work something out, let me know, i'd be glad to show you the error of the muslim way!

 

[traderfut2000]

Completely agree with your point.

Quote from candletrader:

Thankfully, our alliance with the brave heroes of the Kosovan Liberation Army (KLA) and our effective killing off of the Serbian Terrorists has led to the establishment of a democratic Serbia... moreover, I am pleased that the persecuted Kosovan Muslims can now can move freely within their Kosovan homeland, without fear of being shot...

So you see, I do not condemn all US foreign policy... the US foreign policy implemented in Serbia had a truly moral outcome...

The civilized world can be grateful to the USA for forming an alliance with the heroes of the Kosovan Liberation Army in order to rid the world of Serbian Terrorism...

As I have consistently maintained, however, there is no moral equivalence between the war against the Serbian Terrorists and the war against Saddam... the latter is purely a war for oil... however much we despise Saddam (and he is indeed despicable) we would be foolhardy to bomb him in order to take his oil... there is absolutely no moral basis for this war and there is a real lack of global consensus on it, the vast majority of the world being solidly opposed...

 

[daniel_m]

i agree too!

of course, it's a damn shame the serbian population there are now the ones being subjected to albanian terror again (which is precisely what provoked armed intervention in the first place, but you guys needn't concern yourselves with truth), but it's better that a lasting solution is finally in the works.

 

[candletrader]

Quote from daniel_m:

i agree too!

of course, it's a damn shame the serbian population there are now the ones being subjected to albanian terror again (which is precisely what provoked armed intervention in the first place, but you guys needn't concern yourselves with truth), but it's better that a lasting solution is finally in the works.

It was in fact the Serbian Terrorism on the ethnic Albanians which prompted the USA (in alliance with the brave soldiers of the Kosovan Liberation Army - KLA) to attack the Serbian Terrorists and wipe them out... but I do agree with you that a lasting solution is now in the works...

To take us back to Iraq, I find it somewhat odd that the USA took individual responsibility for photocopying the weapons dossier before handing out the copies to the other 4 Permanent Security Council Members.... surely there is something wrong here ?

 

[daniel_m]

yes, but before that it was albanians terrorising the Serb minority in kosovo that lead to the Milosevic rise to power and the subsequant armed intervention by the military. facts are facts jack!

(and that albanian 'terror' - it's probably a bit too strong a word - was based on albanian claims to the land. tentative claims. but that's another can of worms.)

 

[candletrader]

President Carter 12/10/02; "For powerful countries to adopt a principle of preventative war may well set an example that can have catastrophic consequences"... if only Carter was in power these days, things could be so much better for global security...

 

[daniel_m]

while i certainly believe that, ultimately, an attack on iraq (US alone, or UN) would be good for the iraqi people (and the middle east in general), i agree that there is, at this stage, insufficient justification for it.

and 'preventative', pre-emptive strikes are certainly little justfication. i agree. (does anyone truly believe that iraq (or any country) would be stupid enough to openly attack america?)

 

[traderfut2000]

you know what come to Paris and I would be more than happy to guide you in this wonderful city ... ad don't worry you will be with an arab so nobody will touch you))

Ok. Whenever, you want just drop me a note. So that I am here...
You will be amazed by so much beauty and you will forget all the silly things your friend told you..

 

[daniel_m]

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But NEVER did I mean to imply that Palestinians where badly educated murderers. Or Gypsies.

...

As for the "Gypsy" comment. All I said was that, from what I understand (what I have been told, I haven't first hand knowledge) is that presently in Paris, the poverty among the Palestinian (or perhaps it is more accurately Arab) population there has spawned an atmosphere of fear and crime.

hey, leave the gypsies out of it!

As far as Daniel's position, it is hard to refute what he says. The Koran clearly demands the killing of the infidels. But this does not mean that this is taken literally by all Muslims.

rs7, the problem is that the Koran is MEANT to be taken literally - it is the DIRECT word of Allah. muslims have a great deal of trouble refusing to believe those 'hard to digest' parts of the koran.

and there is certainly no denying that certain parts of it are completely detestable!

that's not even my main qualm with islam. i'm much more concerned about the human rights abuses it ADVOCATES with its determination of the status of women. i find it absolutely deplorable the conditions that women in islamic society are forced to live in. is there any wonder why i call it the the worst religion to hit the world? whihc religion, in TODAY'S world, steadfastly clings to such outdated notions as male superiority, and all the human rights abuses that entails as islam? none.

of course, since islam, at its core, is so intolerant of opposing points of view, it also concerns me that fundamentalism is on the RISE (not on the wane) in the big muslim countries like egypt, indonesia, pakistan and yep, even in turkey.