POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq

Which of these is most likely?

  • Co-ordinated large-scale bombings of shopping malls and offices (similar to September 11, but not us

    Votes: 12 133.3%

  • Biological attacks on schools, malls, airports etc

    Votes: 5 55.6%

  • Highly co-ordinated machine gun mow-downs of crowds by suicide gangs

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • One person suicide bombings (similar to that carried out by Hamas) co-ordinated across numerous smal

    Votes: 30 333.3%

  • Devastating car bombs set to go off amongst traffic queues of commuters crawling into work in the ru

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • It won't be as obvious as any of the above, but it will make September 11 look like a wasp bite com

    Votes: 26 288.9%

  • No repercussions

    Votes: 95 1,055.6%
  • Total voters
    9
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Well, it isn't just this question, and it certainly is not just Candle.
There are too many examples of this to begin to ponder (as have occurred on ET). My favorite is a question I have posed to Traderfut2000 so many times as to have completely given up on getting an answer. But the "non-answer" servers to make my point better than even a nonsense answer could.

It is very easy to make statements with no basis of fact. This is how "debates" deteriorate into "arguments". But still, I would rather read someone's opinion and understand why they believe what they believe than to be subjected to endless "cut and past artistry". At least their unsubstantiated claims are their own. And possibly they can be at least open to listening to another side of the issue, because they may eventually realize that their beliefs are not well founded. Whereas the "cut and paste" geniuses think that their "sources" constitute "proof".



Well said. But this has been said so many times that perhaps it negates my previous (above) comments. This very fact has been mentioned time and time again. Yet the "all about oil" argument goes on. We did not take the oil in Kuwait. We did not take the oil in Iraq. We have never taken any "spoils of war" any place. In any conflict. Other than our independence after the Revolutionary War.

Peace,
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Well....I do think we did take the "spoils" in the U.S. versus the American Indian Wars.

The Mexicans argue that we did as well with California and much of the Southwest.

Fortunately, possession is 9/10th of the law.
 
I keep hearing the same baseless arguments form all the same guys and they never answer the question, but in the most simple of terms, if America was an imperialistic oil hungry country like all these people claim.........CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY WE TAKE ISRAEL'S BACK?......Wouldn't it make more sense to befriend the Arab countries for the last 50 years and tell Israel to screw off????
maybe it's something more than oil? I would love somebody to tell me why we would befriend Israel and stand behind her through thick and thin despite the threats and wars with the oil producing nations.. And please spare me the lobbyist part because the oil companies are in large part in the south west and last time i checked there's not a lot jewish influence there.
 
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I keep hearing the same baseless arguments form all the same guys and they never answer the question, but in the most simple of terms, if America was an imperialistic oil hungry country like all these people claim.........CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY WE TAKE ISRAEL'S BACK?......Wouldn't it make more sense to befriend the Arab countries for the last 50 years and tell Israel to screw off????
maybe it's something more than oil? I would love somebody to tell me why we would befriend Israel and stand behind her through thick and thin despite the threats and wars with the oil producing nations.. And please spare me the lobbyist part because the oil companies are in large part in the south west and last time i checked there's not a lot jewish influence there.
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Excellent point.
 
yes good point tmdirect it's one of those huge misconceptions they teach to naive college students, along with the EMH. have you heard of noam chomsky? i think's he's the pinko idiot who popularized this oil bullshit.
 
I heard him on a talk show a couple years ago " Criticizing the U.S" for having this strong of a relationship with Israel...He took some eat for it too but his point was well taken...He said that the Arabs have the oil and it's best for America to have strong relations with them even if it was at the expense of Israel.
 
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CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY WE TAKE ISRAEL'S BACK?......Wouldn't it make more sense to befriend the Arab countries for the last 50 years and tell Israel to screw off????
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Don't be so naive. I can name ten good reasons why we support Israel right off the bat:


1. Henry Kissinger

2. Alan Greenspan

3. Ruth Bader Ginsburg

4. Ari Fleischer

5. Senator Joseph Lieberman

6. Steven Spielberg

7. Mayor Michael Bloomberg

8. Steve Ballmer

9. Mortimer Zuckerman

10. Michael Ovitz


Not real hard to figure out, huh?
 
Don't be so naive. I can name ten good reasons why we support Israel right off the bat:


1. Henry Kissinger

2. Alan Greenspan

3. Ruth Bader Ginsburg

4. Ari Fleischer

5. Senator Joseph Lieberman

6. Steven Spielberg

7. Mayor Michael Bloomberg

8. Steve Ballmer

9. Mortimer Zuckerman

10. Michael Ovitz


Not real hard to figure out, huh?




You mean to tell me those names carry more clout then EXXO Mobile and all the energy providers?...also, how many came into prominence before 1980?...yet we supported israel against the oil rich countries...
 
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also, how many came into prominence before 1980?...yet we supported israel against the oil rich countries...
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I don't know the names of influential Jews from the 1940s-1980s (aside from Kissinger) but I'm sure there were many in the financial and real estate industries. I guess it also boils down to the fact that Israel is the only Middle East country that is most similar to the US in terms of government ideology and cultural beliefs. Plus, American Jews are caucasian. I'm sure there are racial undercurrents involved though many would not openly admit it...
 
I respect your opinion, but this is my problem:

I keep hearing over and over thet "its all about the oil"
Yet when people mention valid proof against this argument, we go off in a different direction....Again, im asking a simple question: If it is ALL ABOUT OIL...why would the us ( and especially with all these texas oil companies) align themselves with israel? Our relationship with Israel has been a detriment in our relationship with the Oil producing countries...If it was just about oil why would we back israel? Imperialistic and aggressive military machines like they allege the us is, would not care one iota about Israel....we would be buddies with the oil countries...unless im missing something?
 
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I don't know the names of influential Jews from the 1940s-1980s (aside from Kissinger) but I'm sure there were many in the financial and real estate industries. I guess it also boils down to the fact that Israel is the only Middle East country that is most similar to the US in terms of government ideology and cultural beliefs. Plus, American Jews are caucasian. I'm sure there are racial undercurrents involved though many would not openly admit it...
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American Jews are caucasian?

When did "whitey" convert?
 
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