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[fairplay]

Quote from wild:
mind you, English is just another German dialect brought to the British isles by the victorious Angles and Saxons from Northern Germany ... later corrupted by the mediaeval French the Normans under William the Conquerer superimposed on it.


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Thank you Mr Wild. I was told by a friend of mine in Australia, that the Germans had got their language from the English, just like the Australians. I hope what you are saying is true and well researched, as otherwise danial m and hapaboy will come after you.

 

[daniel_m]

a german dialect. pffft. what trash. wild, i usually completely disagree with your political opinions, but at least i considered you sane. stuff like this makes seriously question that assumption.

so the english language developed over time (as your informative, but out of place latest cut & paste tells)..... wow... what the hell has that got to do with anything?

you don't seriously think that the german you speak today is exactly the same as the german spoken by the germanic tribes that originally settled central europe do you?

fairplay, i can see you have no intention at all of growing up, do you? who CARES where the language started... the point is that it currently exists (and has done so for a good 1000 years, in various shapes)... and, whatsmore, it is the world's most important language now and for the forseeable future.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from fairplay:

I hope what you are saying is true and well researched, as otherwise danial m and hapaboy will come after you.

Why in the world would we come after Wild? I don't bother to read his posts anymore, and it is obvious that he has enough serious problems as it is. No, Wild is exactly where I want him to be - far away.

 

[wild]

quote from fairplay,

Thank you Mr Wild. I was told by a friend of mine in Australia, that the Germans had got their language from the English, just like the Australians. I hope what you are saying is true and well researched, as otherwise danial m and hapaboy will come after you.

an Australian friend?

is he sitting behind bars in that infamous convicts´ colony ... downunder in British Siberia ?

or is he one of the poor aborigines ... slaughtered en masse by their British overlords ?

regards

wild


Germanic Dialects

http://www.webgerman.com/german/dialects/index.html

About the history of Low Saxon

http://www.rostra.dk/platt/platspro.htm#eng

Yiddish

http://www.bergen.org/AAST/Projects/Yiddish/English/language.html

 

[fairplay]

Quote from daniel_m:

maybe the immigration officers in thirld world asian countries are semi-literate, but in australia (and i imagine the rest of the west) we have highly trained professionals whose are well versed in picking out the bad apples. Yeah right, like those monkeys at Sydney airport who tried to converse with me in sign-language!

now, if it's a well known fact that people from some countries/racial what races are you referring to? groups are more likely than others to overstay their visas and live/work illegally, i'm GLAD that we've got a system in place that weeds them out. enjoy!

and as for safety, just ask yourself this: who'd be safer, an indonesian in sydney, or an australian in djakarta? not even close, is it... the only Ozzies you can see in Jakarta these days are diplomats or pimps: not much has changed, and either they have armoured limousines or local thugs to protect them


mahatir can rant and rave all he likes (and he does it a LOT), but he thank his lucky stars for the colonial period that brought culture and civilization to what would have otherwise no doubt been another sout east asian backwater hole. I don't know what culture you refer to, you mean that agglommeration of pastimes which Australians waste their entire lives on?


what planet are you on? we already HAVE massive scale asian immigration. walked down inner melbourne or sydney lately? there's entire regions where you'll be lucky to spot a non-asian. melbourne's mayor is chinese (and can barely speak english). you are out of your mind. those sections of Melbourne and Sydney are almost the only places where you can get some decent food!

now, if by "large scale" you mean we should just open the floodgates and let in every low life, no-skill parasite with a heartbeat, you, again, are out of your mind. not bad! say: how long ago was it that the main qualification for going to Australia was to be a criminal and convict?

personally, i think australia has a FANTASTIC culture. what the hell is wrong with it? it's a massive melting pot of world cultures, and, contrary to your (and that ignoramous mahatir's) opinion, it is a poster child for cultural and religious tolerance. (a few lessons for you indonesians to learn, that's for sure).i am tempted to think, however, that no other language on the face of this earth could come close to holding a candle to english for the vast varieties of expression it offers. no other language has anywhere near the amount of words that english uses. and i see you snuck indonesian there in the comparison -- hahah, yeah, riiiiiighht. lol.

You said it yourself: you have no idea, and probably you will not be able to change that. I found those remarks by Mr Wild on the history of the English language highly interesting. And as a consequence I will take a closer look at the German language and culture.


you said you've been to australia. what, do tell us, was denied to you on the basis of race?? hmm?? probably some standard muslim bullshit. you know, a woman covers herself head to toe in some black bed sheet... well OF COURSE people are gonna look at her... it's not the kind of thing you see every day here is it!

to begin with I was denied service at a restaurant and eventually left. That is what I call "endemic racism": that fish and chip shop woman in Queensland is just the tip of the iceberg, and if you do not understand me, then you are just a living proof of my statements.
Then: your highly skilled immigration officers are only trained to pick on Asian travellers. Why is it that any fairskinned traveller walks through baggage control and all Asians have their luggage sniffed at by dogs, if not for offending our feelings. You know it and everybody else knows it.

listen fairplay, you're not playing fair at all.

i'm not asking you to fall in love with "western culture" (for want of a better term)... you're free to voice your concern about whatever forms of discrimination you believe exist (good luck finding them). but by putting down and mocking the west the way you do, what you're doing is equally as racist as the discrimination your whining about.

time to grow up.
I do not quite see how "western" Australia is: seen from most places in Asia and Africa it lies to the East. And I repeat my statement: the absence of culture in that country will hopefully soon be eradicated by a few million Indonesians who cannot find a livelihood in their own country.

 

[fairplay]

Quote from wild:

quote from fairplay,

Thank you Mr Wild. I was told by a friend of mine in Australia, that the Germans had got their language from the English, just like the Australians. I hope what you are saying is true and well researched, as otherwise danial m and hapaboy will come after you.

an Australian friend?

is he sitting behind bars in that infamous convicts´ colony ... downunder in British Siberia ?

or is he one of the poor aborigines ... slaughtered en masse by their British overlords ?

regards

wild

Haha, not all Australians are that bad, and what you call "british siberia" has a real name: Woomera: Daniel M can tell you more about it

 

[stu]

Quote from fairplay:

Quote from wild:
mind you, English is just another German dialect brought to the British isles by the victorious Angles and Saxons from Northern Germany ... later corrupted by the mediaeval French the Normans under William the Conquerer superimposed on it.

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Thank you Mr Wild. I was told by a friend of mine in Australia, that the Germans had got their language from the English, just like the Australians. I hope what you are saying is true and well researched, as otherwise danial m and hapaboy will come after you.

Indo-European is the parent language of European, Indian and earlier Asian, languages

Wild's German language is an offshoot from Germanic (more associated to Dutch /Finnish ) and is a branch of the Indo-European language family as is English.

His "invasion of the British Isles" came from Jutland and Southern Denmark (known as Angles) they spoke in a language of north eastern region of the Netherlands.

English is not a German dialect.

Pillock is a nice old fashioned English dialect word and fits Wild's profile well, as does his gaumless (another good old English word) cut & paste antics.

 

[wild]

fairplay,

The English were a loose federation of German tribes - known to the Romans as Anglii, Saxones, Frisii and Jutae - who conquered large parts of the old Roman province of Britannia, between the Fifth and Seventh Centuries. The collective term 'Anglo-Saxon', by which they are more familiarly known, was invented by the Normans, as a legal definition of the people they had conquered.

The Saxons began to appear as sea-borne raiders in the Third Century, along with the Franks. According both to Ptolemy and to Bede, they came from the lands around the lower Elbe. They were closely linked with the Angles, who lived immediately to the north of them, in Angeln. Grave-goods also reveal close connections both with the Thuringians and the Franks.

Den "Garten Gottes" nannte Graf Adelbert von Baudissin unsere Landschaft als er sie 1864 bereiste. Es ist das Land Angeln mit der Geltinger Ostsee-Ferienregion, deren intakte, ursprüngliche Naturvielfalt Balsam für Leib und Seele ist. In diesem "Garten Gottes" Urlaub zu machen bedeutet reine, milde Seeluft atmen, baden und schwimmen in unbelastetem Ostseewasser und faulenzen im weichen Sand der Naturstrände.

http://www.gelting.de/urlaub.htm

Sea raids intensified throughout the Fourth Century, when the principal targets were Britain and northern Gaul. At the same time, it appears that the Saxons moved southwards into Holland; those Saxons who did not migrate to the British Isles remained in this region as an independent force until subdued by Charlemagne in the Eighth Century.

http://www.chronique.com/Library/MedHistory/charlemagne.htm

Less well documented are the Saxon settlements in Gaul - archaeology confirms significant habitation around Bayeux throughout the Fifth and Sixth Century.

The Anglo-Saxons themselves remained well aware of their origins, even centuries later. In 738, for example, the English missionary, St Boniface, has the continental Saxons saying of the English: 'We are of one blood and one bone' - a fact which he employs in convincing his fellow countrymen to support his mission to these still-pagan peoples.

http://www.stboniface.org.uk/whowas.htm

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Germanic Languages

http://softrat.home.mindspring.com/germanic.html#newengli
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Where does Finnish come from?

People often mistakenly assume that languages spoken in neighbouring countries are closely related. For this reason they ask questions like 'Is Finnish like Swedish?' or 'Does everyone in Finland speak Russian?'

A simple answer to both questions is 'No.'

Swedish - although one of the two official languages of Finland - and Russian belong to the Indo-European group of languages while Finnish is one of the Finno-Ugrian languages. The latter group also includes Hungarian, Estonian, Lapp and several lesser known languages spoken in Russia. The Finno-Ugrian languages share enough common lexical and grammatical features to prove a common origin.

http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/english/finnish2.html

regards

wild

 

[fairplay]

Quote from daniel_m:

fairplay, i can see you have no intention at all of growing up, do you? who CARES where the language started... the point is that it currently exists (and has done so for a good 1000 years, in various shapes)... and, whatsmore, it is the world's most important language now and for the forseeable future.



Daniel,
I am appalled by your childish remarks about the development of languages! If you do not care where your language started, then don't be surprised if other people also don't care. But to your defense: many people in the US, Australia and even in the UK think that way.

I happen to speak some Chinese, and I also happen to know that the Chinese people all over the world take very great care to ensure that this bond which ties them together and gives them some sort of identity, is well preserved. Unlike types like you, the Chinese have a habit of looking at almost everything from a historical perspective. Which is why I would not be surprised if one day in the not very distant future Australians (or most people living in Australia) will speak that language.

Mr Wild, I know a little joke about the German language, and I hope you forgive me. I think it was first created by someone in Spain many years ago during a dispute on which language God speaks, eg Arabic or Hebrew or Greek etc. And someone suggested, the only time God spoke German was when he expelled Adam and Eve from paradise.

 

[stu]

You are rambling all over the place with your panic cut & pasts Wild, hopelessly lost in a frenzy presumably in an attempt to attach some kind of worth to your german ancestory after losing 2 world wars and a footbal match to England in 1966.

Your cut & paste

People often mistakenly assume that languages spoken in neighbouring countries are closely related. For this reason they ask questions like 'Is Finnish like Swedish?' or 'Does everyone in Finland speak Russian?'
A simple answer to both questions is 'No.'

Your previous cut & paste stated "mind you, English is just another German dialect"

English would need to be closely related to German for it to be a german dialect.
a.. It isn't.
b. Your stupid c&p above states that neighboring languages are not closely related anyway
c. You make yourself look farcical

btw
English is the universal language predominant for 2 reasons amongst others - the extending of the British Empire, the development of the United States into a super power.
The vast majority of Internet documents, are in English. Not German....or Chinese!!

In case you had forgotten this thread is supposed to be about US vs iraq. Another story where a third rate nation run by a dictator has to be subjugated by the US and its allies. Remind you of home too much 50 years ago, or did you run out of self- contradictory cut & paste on the subject ?