Was Saddam part of 9-11??( the question of him being peaceful is silly in ur part, if that were the case we should invade Cuba also ) Is Saddam a future threat?? (only the UN inspectors can answer that, surely you are in no position to say yea or nea). There will always be terrorism ( its been around before our time)and there will always be a threat to this country. Remember, even though not really in the main stream media there are over 10,000 gulf war veterans which have died and over 150,000 that have become sick from exposure of uranium from our own munitions that littered the battle field. On top of that we need to send these guys into urban warfare ( not good if it was ur kid going).....Just something to think about....peace
POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq
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Was Saddam part of 9-11??( the question of him being peaceful is silly in ur part, if that were the case we should invade Cuba also ) Is Saddam a future threat?? (only the UN inspectors can answer that, surely you are in no position to say yea or nea). There will always be terrorism ( its been around before our time)and there will always be a threat to this country. Remember, even though not really in the main stream media there are over 10,000 gulf war veterans which have died and over 150,000 that have become sick from exposure of uranium from our own munitions that littered the battle field. On top of that we need to send these guys into urban warfare ( not good if it was ur kid going).....Just something to think about....peace
Max, finally we agree. As you know, I usually sign my posts "Peace"....but more often lately, "Peace, Whenever Possible".
CSN&Y.....yup, I agree it is as you say. However, I am having a bit of trouble with the time frame. Since the song was recorded during the Vietnam "conflict", and since CSN was quite anti war (Ohio, Wooden Ships, etc.), I wonder why they used those lyrics in what was, at that moment, almost an anachronism. After all, we were clearly not fighting for OUR freedom. Nor, in my opinion, anyone's (but I will accept that there are alternate opinions to mine about this).
WW II, clearly the "Cost of Freedom" WAS buried in the ground. And in the seas, and on the beaches. A whole different conflict.
As for "Strangelove", (my favorite movie...don't mind repeating myself), yes, here I agree too. It was about how "mad" MAD was (for those too young or unfamiliar....Mutually Assured Destruction.
Which is one reason I so oppose a war now with Iraq. This is a war that I believe can be won with the accomplishment of one objective....ousting Saddam. Why go to war with a nation when our enemy is a leader that would likely be un-missed by the vast majority of his constituents. Sure it's easy to get all the votes in an election like he did. Vote for Saddam, or die. Couldn't even vote for Buchanan
But the is no MAD with Saddam. So this makes him very dangerous. His bluster seems to prove either of two things. He is completely mad and believes he can fight an unbeatable enemy (he has already failed miserably), or....he is equally mad, and doesn't care if his country is destroyed. The equivalent of a murder/suicide. Kill yourself, but take as many with you as possible. The ultimate suicide bomber. He MUST be eliminated. Here I agree with you. I just don't see a conventional fighting war being the correct recipe. We have the technology. We SHOULD have the intelligence.
Maybe it would be in our best interests to let Israel handle the situation and give them whatever they need in the way of weapons and technology. They successfully bombed Iraq and set their nuke program back drastically. With F-16's that the American Air Force said were not capable of carrying out such a mission (at that time). What does that say for good old "American Knowhow"?
Is there any question that Israel's intelligence is the best? Especially in issues involving the middle east?
We are a GREAT country. But we are not the best at all things. We have allies. Why not let the best members of our "team" play the positions they are best suited for? Tonight in the Orange Bowl, Willis Mcgahee will NOT play quarterback, and Ken Dorsett will NOT be the featured running back. If our intelligence is not up to the job....where is UBL? Where is Saddam? Where is Waldo? Why not use the guys that know how to do it? Is it "pride"? Remember Carters attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran? Israel did the equivalent of a "diplomatic laugh" at our incompetence. Why did we not ask them if the sand might interfere with the operational abilities of the gunships involved. They LIVE in the desert. We didn't even practice in the desert. What do they fly in Nevada for practice? In Tonopah and Nellis, last I heard they were practicing F-15, F-16, and F-17 (stealth). Great! Where are they training helicopter pilots? Which jungle? Which plains (I believe mostly Texas and Ohio...could be wrong). We getting ready to fight in Vietnam again? I am sure we have come a long way since 1980, but still, why not use the best we have? Why screw around with sending a hundred thousand troops to get one guy? Where is OUR James Bond?
Are we afraid to use a Delta Force type mission because of Somalia? What have we learned? Hell, let's let Tom Clancy come up with a plan. Anything would be an improvement over a conventional over-run of a basically little sandy country with oil and a madman at the helm. A madman that was capable of setting Kuwait on fire just for a parting shot after being defeated.
Peace, Whenever Possible,
Rs7
Oye Cubano, no se si te entiendo!!
I've answered the never-ending "was Saddam part of 9/11" in previous posts. Tired of repeating myself.
Yes Saddam is a future threat. See other posts. Tired of repeating myself. Also have to agree with Max401 about SH laughing his ass off right now. He has had so much time to hide his WMD inspectors are left to at best try to find traces. And boy, I just LOVE these "inspections" of Saddam's palaces where the inspection team goes in for half an hour and "inspects" the first floor of the multi-story palace!
Has our country ever faced a threat of this kind? No...
Excellent reference
and illustrative -- the theory seems to depend on equating saddam (and all arabs?) with Sauron: a single-minded, irrational personification of evil. Something that has means and a singular goal: to destroy the US, at any and all costs.
Problem is, we haven't been shown any evidence of that.
20 years ago he was an ally of the US. He purportedly invaded Kuwait 12 years ago, although reports of the exact actions taken have been inconsistent. Since then he has seemingly done little else besides sell oil to the US. He has done nothing to harm Americans in 12 years. There is no evidence he was involved in 9/11.
Besides rhetoric, where is the rationale behind dropping bombs on bagdhad, besides shifting reports leaked by a frantically pro-war administration? if he had nuclear material, and if there was evidence that he intended to smuggle it into the US, then there is a basis for your argument. But if you assume that:
- why has this evidence not been shown? 'they' have said 'they' know enough to justify war. why not let the rest of the world in on the secret? is every other country on Earth just blind? no, we just live amongst 5.7 billion cowards, right?
- why is he any different than N Korea? or China? or Israel? or France? or the Soviet republics? all have nukes.
- why the urgency for war, if not to capitalize on post 9/11 fear before it fades?
and, fwiw, I say this precisely because I love America. Criticism does not equal hate, except to the criticized. What I hate is to see the dreams of the founding fathers, the principles and freedoms and liberty of a country born out of resistance to warmongering tyrrany, squandered by another tyrrany furthering its own goals.
Yup.
RS7, that scenario has been contemplated along with many others including a lone sniper, etc. Problem is that Saddam is darned good at his personal security. He never sleeps in the same place twice in a row, he has body-doubles, only a few highly trusted people know where he is at any given time. If only it were that easy to send in Delta Force. Sure would save us a lot of time, money, and most importantly, lives.