POLL: On average, which ET group is more intellectually dishonest? Atheist or theist?

On average, which ET group is more intellectually dishonest?

  • Atheist

    Votes: 10 26.3%

  • Theist

    Votes: 28 73.7%
  • Total voters
    38
Quote from NeoRio1:

I prefer to be on the chemically balanced side where the facts represent my views instead of psychological and emotional irrationality.
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Me too. I say, the only thing factual about the world is that you/we are thinking about it, one way or another. That's about as real as it gets. It's not a rational thought...sparked by an irrational emotion.
 
So you were intellectually dishonest for 50 years...

...and now you have no issues with religion as a consequence...

I suppose sympathy would be in order for being such a long term victim, right?

Sure sounds to me like you were a fundamentalist literally interpreting the Bible Christian.

It really took you 50 years to individuate?

Amazing...


Quote from vhehn:

nothing intellectually dishonest about being a christian. lol. you just have to convince yourself that some old greyhaired old deity picked up a handfull of dust and made man just as you see him today. then you have to convince yourself that he decided to make a woman so he took a rib out of a man and used it to make a woman. then god had a talking snake trick the woman into eating a forbidden fruit which pissed god off so he kicked them out of the garden of eden.
years later man pissed off god again so he decided to kill every living thing on earth except eight godly men in a flood. so what does this godly man do after the flood is over. he gets stone drunk and passes out naked then gets pissed at his son for seeing him naked. http://www.straightdope.com/columns...ith-the-biblical-story-of-drunken-noah-part-1
now, if you can convince yourself these stories are true without being intellectually dishonest you are a true believer with blind faith.
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Quote from Thunderdog:

Simple question.
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To be honest, going from my experience over at TheologyWeb, I find the agnostics and atheists presenting most honest arguments...except for those few who are already enlightened and naturally at odds with the resident theists. Too bad they are not allowed to present their arguments throughout the site. Of those two, I find agnostics most honest. They are just one step away from becoming gnostics! :D

Christ!
 
HERE is an exchange between Hooks, resident agnostic, and Jnthn, resident moderator. This is one of the moderators, if not the moderator who mercilessly banned me for posting in areas of the forums reserved for their inside circle of approved orthodox believers. Though I posted on-topic in response to the OP's queries, I was debited enough "infraction" points to get me banned. Jnthn acts as if nothing Hooks says is true, though he himself participates in the very kind of suppression that Hooks outlines. Begin at post #197 to bottom of page.

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Hooks wrote>
So, which is it, J, are you willing to look at the data "honestly" like many of us have in the wide open of peer review, public scritiny?

Jnthn wrote>
You have presented no evidence to suggest dishonesty, so I charge you with using the term "honesty" with in the same way skeptics use "free thinking": Euphamistically

Hooks wrote>
Are you willing to open Christian academic center to the wildly successful tenets of academic freedom, essentially the free market of ideas where the best survive?

Jnthn wrote>
I don't need to. I belong to a religion that has lasted thousands of years in the public square. It has proven to endure and flourish even under the harshest of irreligious regimes. The very fact that you have chosen to ignore that fact shows how blinkered your perspective is and how tainted your "insight" is

Christ!
 
Quote from NeoRio1:

Atheists claim there is not a god.

Theists claim there is a god.

Each side is intellectually dishonest because each side has zero evidence to support the claim of an all powerful god or the claim of a non-existent god.
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Lack of any evidence of something is reasonable evidence that it doesn't exist. We have no evidence that the tooth fairy or the Yeti doesn't exist, but equally we have no evidence they exist either - does that mean it's intellectually dishonest to say there's no tooth fairy or no Yeti? We can't know for sure but the odds seem pretty good that they don't in fact exist.

Remember, atheists don't claim there is absolutely 0% chance of god existing. That would indeed be ridiculous. They just claim that there is currently no evidence whatsoever to support the existence of a god. That seems like an intellectually honest and consistent position to me.
 
Exactly how do you calculate the odds on whether or not God exists?

What exactly is your criteria by which you generate those odds?

1,000 years ago there was no evidence of cosmic rays...

So, according to you, the odds were "pretty good" that cosmic rays did not exist...

Really, is this the type of science you subscribe to?

"Remember, atheists don't claim there is absolutely 0% chance of god existing."

Some of the ET atheist do claim that God does not exist. They don't couch it in percentages at all...they deliver the claim with full on evangelical certainty...

Quote from Cutten:

Lack of any evidence of something is reasonable evidence that it doesn't exist. We have no evidence that the tooth fairy or the Yeti doesn't exist, but equally we have no evidence they exist either - does that mean it's intellectually dishonest to say there's no tooth fairy or no Yeti? We can't know for sure but the odds seem pretty good that they don't in fact exist.

Remember, atheists don't claim there is absolutely 0% chance of god existing. That would indeed be ridiculous. They just claim that there is currently no evidence whatsoever to support the existence of a god. That seems like an intellectually honest and consistent position to me.
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I don't about ET groups but in general, theists are more annoying and more self righteous.

As a general policy, atheists don't knock on your door and try to convince you that your life outlook is all wrong. Atheists also don't try to get atheist books in every hotel.

It is a matter of personal choice, you can believe in jesus or you can believe in the power of your iPhone, I don't care.
 
Quote from Cutten:

Lack of any evidence of something is reasonable evidence that it doesn't exist. We have no evidence that the tooth fairy or the Yeti doesn't exist, but equally we have no evidence they exist either - does that mean it's intellectually dishonest to say there's no tooth fairy or no Yeti? We can't know for sure but the odds seem pretty good that they don't in fact exist.

Remember, atheists don't claim there is absolutely 0% chance of god existing. That would indeed be ridiculous. They just claim that there is currently no evidence whatsoever to support the existence of a god. That seems like an intellectually honest and consistent position to me.
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I disagree.

See if Stu says there is even a small chance of god existing.

Many atheists state they know there is no God. That is the typical and traditional definition of atheist. if you say there is a chance than you are an agnostic.

Most theists state they believe there is a God. That is the point. A belief in God is based on faith.

Many atheists make the fraudulent attempt to claim science says there is no God.
 
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