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Poll: Majority of Americans Oppose the Tea party
- Thread starter hermit
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No, the fact that he made a post supporting the tea party doesn't make him a 'tea partier'. That doesn't matter of course, because he didn't make any such post. He did make one post in which he attacked a critisism of the tea party, which is very different from supporting it.
However, this is all beside the point. I have made posts supporting black people, and I am not black. I have made posts in support of gays, yet I am not gay. I have made posts supporting the legalization of drugs, yet I am not a drug user. I have made posts supporting Israel, yet I am not an Israeli. All that to say that one can make a post in support of a group, and this in no way makes them a part of said group. It might be tough to get your feeble mind around that, but maybe, with time, you can understand... Good luck...
However, this is all beside the point. I have made posts supporting black people, and I am not black. I have made posts in support of gays, yet I am not gay. I have made posts supporting the legalization of drugs, yet I am not a drug user. I have made posts supporting Israel, yet I am not an Israeli. All that to say that one can make a post in support of a group, and this in no way makes them a part of said group. It might be tough to get your feeble mind around that, but maybe, with time, you can understand... Good luck...
Quote from hermit:
Along with the fact that he EXPLICITLY made a post in support of the Tea Party, that made him a tea partier, the other posts were just for your enjoyment.
Quote from phenomena:
No, the fact that he made a post supporting the tea party doesn't make him a 'tea partier'. That doesn't matter of course, because he didn't make any such post. He did make one post in which he attacked a critisism of the tea party, which is very different from supporting it.
However, this is all beside the point. I have made posts supporting black people, and I am not black. I have made posts in support of gays, yet I am not gay. I have made posts supporting the legalization of drugs, yet I am not a drug user. I have made posts supporting Israel, yet I am not an Israeli. All that to say that one can make a post in support of a group, and this in no way makes them a part of said group. It might be tough to get your feeble mind around that, but maybe, with time, you can understand... Good luck...
He was not attacking criticism of the tea party, he was explaining why the poll numbers for the Tea party were low, very very different things.
No, he was attacking your criticism of the tea party. You said that the majority of americans do not support the tea party ( just like the democrat party). That is a criticism. He attacked your criticism. He didn't 'support the tea party'. He didn't offer any philisophical argument which was supportive of the tea party. In fact he has made statements which are completely opposite of the tea party stance- thus disqualifying himself as a 'tea partier'.
This is kind of funny though. An internet wing nut trying to tell an active tea party member what the tea party platform is... LOL!!! I've come to expect nothing less from the marxist crowd... ROFL!!
This is kind of funny though. An internet wing nut trying to tell an active tea party member what the tea party platform is... LOL!!! I've come to expect nothing less from the marxist crowd... ROFL!!
Quote from hermit:
He was not attacking criticism of the tea party, he was explaining why the poll numbers for the Tea party were low, very very different things.
Quote from phenomena:
No, he was attacking your critisism of the tea party. You said that the majority of americans do not support the tea party ( just like the democrat party). That is a critisism. He attacked your critisism. He didn't 'support the tea party'. He didn't offer any philisophical argument which was supportive of the tea party. In fact he has made statements which are completely opposite of the tea party stance- thus disqualifying himself as a 'tea partier'.
This is kind of funny though. An internet wing nut trying to tell an active tea party member what the tea party platform is... LOL!!! I've come to expect nothing less from the marxist crowd... ROFL!!
First of all, I didn't criticize the tea party in that post, it was a quoted poll and HelloDollar was EXPLAINING why the poll numbers were low in SUPPORT of the Tea Party, simply check the first page.
It's interesting how you use the 'marxist' line again just because I am a liberal but when a Tea Partier makes a big post in SUPPORT of the tea party, its because he isn't even a supporter. By your own logic, where exactly did I argue in favor of Marxist ideology? Perhaps the rules dont apply to yourself when it comes to name calling?
Once again, for the 10th time- you extol marxist and socialist ideals and beliefs. I really don't care enough about this discussion to dig through your thousands of posts to find the many examples of statements that you have made which extol socialist thinking. That hellodollar guy does not, hence I don't call him a marxist. The hellodollar dude also does not extol 'tea partier' beliefs or thinking. Some of his beliefs coencide with tea party position, but many, probably most, do not. If anything his thinking is more reminicent of an old school 50s-60s democrat (outwardly racist, tax investment reward labor etc). His thinking is largely very antithetical from that which is found in tea party circles. Hence it wouldn't make sense for me to 'name call' and dub him a 'tea partier'. I wouldn't consider 'socialist' or 'marxist' to be 'name calling'. It very much describes the beliefs you advocate (probably much moreso socialist than marxist in your case) Only someone who thought that 'socialist' is a negative thing would consider it name calling....
Quote from hermit:
First of all, I didn't criticize the tea party in that post, it was a quoted poll and HelloDollar was EXPLAINING why the poll numbers were low in SUPPORT of the Tea Party, simply check the first page.
It's interesting how you use the 'marxist' line again just because I am a liberal but when a Tea Partier makes a big post in SUPPORT of the tea party, its because he isn't even a supporter. By your own logic, where exactly did I argue in favor of Marxist ideology? Perhaps the rules dont apply to yourself when it comes to name calling?
Quote from phenomena:
LOL!! Name calling and baseless slander from a socialist, what a surprise... LOL!!! I'm not interested in your ignorant, uninformed nonsense. You need to get around a bit more, because you have absolutely no fucking clue about europe which your naive and ignorant posts in this thread have very fully demonstrated...
You say anyone would recognize me as a "right wing xenophobic extremist", yet no one seems to think that at all except for you and your small handful of socialist circle jerk buddies here on ET. In fact that's not what they call me in europe. You know what they DO call me in Europe?? A LIBERAL.
I would, however, be interested to know what in your feeble mind qualifies me as being "right wing, or "xenophobic", or "extremist". Perhaps you can share with me exactly what it is that qualifies me as such?
Y'all have way way too much time on your hands. Sheesh. I had to wade through all kinds of name-calling to get to the one that was aimed at me. Wasn't today a rather interesting day in the markets? Didn't any of you spend any time at least repositioning yourself in today's craziness????
Anyway, to answer you point by point:
1 - The Liberal Democrats, over in the UK, are directly descended from that old Liberal Party. I can guarantee you your views have way more in common with Cameron than they do with his partner in that coalition government.
2 - Xenophobe = anti-immigrant, the same as all of the right-wing parties in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Italy, you name it. They know and you know where you'd be right at home.
3 - Extremist: except for the farthest right parties, everyone over there is in favor of non-profit health care, heavily regulated by government. (Check what Cameron in the UK said in that regard. Even what Thatcher said. And of course Sarkozy's mocking comments after our watered-down bill was passed.) There is only one country in all of Western Europe that has a for-profit health care sector that most people use. (the Netherlands requires you to use private health care if you're over a certain amount in income; in Germany it's optional and available; Switzerland is the only one with a completely private system.) So yes, in Europe, you're an extremist, as is the entire Republican party (Martin Wolf, of the FT, not exactly a flaming Marxist, considers the US Republicans to be radicals, one and all), so you're not alone anyway.
Selah.
Quote from phenomena:
Once again, for the 10th time- you extol marxist and socialist ideals and beliefs. I really don't care enough about this discussion to dig through your thousands of posts to find the many examples of statements that you have made which extol socialist thinking. That hellodollar guy does not, hence I don't call him a marxist. The hellodollar dude also does not extol 'tea partier' beliefs or thinking. Some of his beliefs coencide with tea party position, but many, probably most, do not. If anything his thinking is more reminicent of an old school 50s-60s democrat (outwardly racist, tax investment reward labor etc). His thinking is largely very antithetical from that which is found in tea party circles. Hence it wouldn't make sense for me to 'name call' and dub him a 'tea partier'. I wouldn't consider 'socialist' or 'marxist' to be 'name calling'. It very much describes the beliefs you advocate (probably much moreso socialist than marxist in your case) Only someone who thought that 'socialist' is a negative thing would consider it name calling....
It doesnt matter whether you care 'enough' because you can't, infact I challenge you to find one 'marxist' quote/belief of mine.
As for HelloDollar, he made a post in support of the Tea Party, he has other positions similar to the Tea Party - that is more than enough to call him a tea partier - you can call him whatever you want.
No, he has positions which are 100% opposed to the tea party sentiment which is more than enough to disqualify him as a 'tea partier'.
As for your 'challenge'. Sure, but some other time... I know that your narcissistic personality disorder gives you a desire to make this discussion about you, but it isn't. I really don't care to pour through your posts and cite examples etc. I just dont care to invest that much time in this discussion. I will some other time. Then you can indulge your pathological narcissism and talk about yourself...
As for your 'challenge'. Sure, but some other time... I know that your narcissistic personality disorder gives you a desire to make this discussion about you, but it isn't. I really don't care to pour through your posts and cite examples etc. I just dont care to invest that much time in this discussion. I will some other time. Then you can indulge your pathological narcissism and talk about yourself...
Quote from hermit:
It doesnt matter whether you care 'enough' because you can't, infact I challenge you to find one 'marxist' quote/belief of mine.
As for HelloDollar, he made a post in support of the Tea Party, he has other positions similar to the Tea Party - that is more than enough to call him a tea partier - you can call him whatever you want.