POLL: Islam - vicious and wicked faith

[JohnnyK]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Religion's real and genuine message is about man's relationship to God, not man's relationship to man.

The way in which man relates to man is of course discussed, but the discussion is for the sake of a soul's relationship to God, so the bottom line is man's relationship to God, not man's relationship to man.

You don't know what religious practices are?

Thank you. Unfortunately, you are right. And that is the crux of the problem: That religion as we know it has separated God and man. You made that separation three times in three sentences. It is deeply ingrained, thanks to religion as we know it.

Here's the scary part. What if that was the very illusion that was leading to all this violence?

JohnnyK

 

[kingcobra]

i look forward to ya klans' heads upon a mosque mantle.

 

[JohnnyK]

Quote from kingcobra:

i look forward to ya klans' heads upon a mosque mantle.

Maybe you could shrink the heads too and carry them around on a stick.

 

[kingcobra]

the only way to stop this insanity is to provide hope, money and oppt to these poor disenchanted muslems.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

When those in other countries see how our own people were treated during and after the Katrina situation, when they see the broken promises to Americans, when we have nearing 20% living below poverty level....what gives them hope?

We preach a lot, but when they see our practices.....

Quote from kingcobra:

the only way to stop this insanity is to provide hope, money and oppt to these poor disenchanted muslems.

 

[estrader]

I am positive, we will never find such a diversity of opinions on an islamic forum about Christianity, as we find on this one about Islam. They all just call for "vengance" and "slaughter those who oppose islam".

 

[Sam123]

Of course you know all these protests and riots are well organized… The Islamist organizers think they are scoring political points when the Muslim World is really making an ass of itself right now.

 

[Idoogye]

Quote from estrader:

I am positive, we will never find such a diversity of opinions on an islamic forum about Christianity, as we find on this one about Islam. They all just call for "vengance" and "slaughter those who oppose islam".

-- That is true. Why do I suppose it is true? Perhaps because we are fortunate to live in our secular Western culture, and the true-believing, fanatical "fundamentalists" amongst us have not yet, in these modern times, gained sufficient political power to muzzle or slaughter those who oppose them.

Unfortunately there is in the USA a considerable sentiment in favour of admixing religion with government, and it's not uncommon to encounter people who will argue that, First Amendment or no, the Constitution does not separate church and state(!) They seem to long for a bygone age when there were no moral ambiguities, when spiritual certainty prevailed and ordinary people had only to obey the Church and rest assured that their faith would protect and save them.

I think a similar revivalism is manifest in modern Islamic society and, comparing the treatment of "infidels" prescribed in the Qur'an with the mandate of the "Great Commission" which is given so much weight by evangelical Christian religionists, one could envision the two cultures on a collision course.

IMO, the main difference between the two "great" Abrahamic religions - Islam and Christianity - is not that the scriptures sacred to one are "better" than those of the other, but that Judeo-Christianity is older and more mature than Islam, and has
evolved to the point where it is less bloodthirsty in its quest for world domination.

The goals of both are identical. The human cost if either were to prevail is appalling to contemplate.

 

[reg]

Quote from Rearden Metal:

No, their lives revolve around personal, family, and tribal <b>honor</b>. That includes extremely violent (and disproportionate, by Western standards) reactions to any little perceived insult thrown their way. I've had many interesting discussions with Arab Muslims- both those imprisoned by Israel, and those who were free. I do know more about this than you do.

In the Muslim Arab world, Bin Laden's terrorism has a higher percentage of support than the Democratic Party has in the U.S.

Koran huggers have tried to hit me with Pew Global's surveys, as evidence that terrorists do not represent the majority of Muslims. Let's take a closer look at the Pew Global data:


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Muslim Arabs compose the bulk of the world's terrorists, yet Pew
purposely picked the most Liberal & moderate of Muslim countries- and only one (Jordan) has an overwhelming Muslim Arab majority. The survey results from Lebanon are worthless, as the Lebanese population is divided about 70/30 between Muslims and Christians- and these groups live mostly segregated from each other. From the poll results, I think you can guess in which area of Lebanon this poll was conducted.

No survey results from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen or Syria- The places where the most Muslim Arabs (and Islamic terrorism supporters) can be found. Fortunately, some data from Saudi does exist, but not from Pew:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/08/poll.binladen/

Poll of Saudis shows wide support for bin Laden's views

Why do I claim that Bin Laden's terrorism enjoys even more support from Arab Muslims, than the Democratic (or Republican)party has from Americans? Only 18% of Jordanians surveyed had absolutely no confidence in Al-Qaida. Draw your own conclusions.

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=248

I'm surprised that one of our favorite posters here on ET did not bring up the argument (again) that you are posting OLD data.

 

[estrader]

Quote from Idoogye:

-- That is true. Why do I suppose it is true? Perhaps because we are fortunate to live in our secular Western culture, and the true-believing, fanatical "fundamentalists" amongst us have not yet, in these modern times, gained sufficient political power to muzzle or slaughter those who oppose them.

Unfortunately there is in the USA a considerable sentiment in favour of admixing religion with government, and it's not uncommon to encounter people who will argue that, First Amendment or no, the Constitution does not separate church and state(!)

You must be a liberal. By the way here is an example of war on Christianity and Christmas, that of course is not, because liberals say so:

A sharply divided panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled that it is constitutionally permissible for New York City public schools to ban the display of the Christian nativity during Christmas, while permitting the display of the Jewish menorah and the Islamic star and crescent during Hanukkah and Ramadan.
...
The City defended its policy by arguing that the menorah and star and crescent were permissible symbols because they were "secular," whereas the nativity scene had to be excluded because it was “purely religious.”


http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=396