Poll: Is it humanly possible to capture 3x ATR everday?

[jack hershey]

Quote from smilingsynic:

Boucher's article does not set forth any system. Rather, it merely shows that there are plenty of swings 2.5 points or greater in the NQ every day.

From what I read there was an ATS who nomenclature was Zig Zag David 1. The only thing reported out were the results of applying systems and ATS's.

Often a system has major filters that estimate and filter impending moves. That is broadly known.

the subject of the article is on how traders determine, from a vast array of strategies which ones to use.

naturally, these choices are tempered by market conditions. the key market condition chosen was the daily range.

In this strategy moderated thread the OP has chosen likewise anhd in reference, he says, to a nonprobabalistic always in the market strategy. Zig Zag david 1, an ATS, is kindered to the OP's choice.

For anyone who has traded the NQ, this is rather obvious. OF COURSE the NQ makes moves.

Of course, the difficulty is in CAPTURING those moves after factoring in bid/ask spread and commissions, as well as an inability to trade moves that have already happened and ended.

the article author makes it his business to deal with this matter and he deals, in among other things, using an ATS that addresses the issue you have articulated as a problem you face.

Boucher's article provided little info. I am surprised FUTURES published it. The again, I get the magazine free of charge. One often gets what one pays for.

Your vantage point turns out to be a poor one. Too bad. Lets hope in the future you progress somehow.

The article does not deal witrh anything that is less than 10x the daily range as a ROI.

Boucher provided absolutely NO EVIDENCE that he himself has actually captured 10X atr or, for that matter, that he has actually captures any part of the NQ on a daily basis.

The article is address to the opportunity YOU have as revealed by an ATS and systems the author HAS. Ordinarily the goal of a HAVE NOT is to get something and use it to become a HAVE.

My goal in informing you was to help YOU become RICH. Reread the article five tiomes and do the code to move the Zig Zag
David 1 dots to the left a little so the ratio runs up to 15 or 20. Also do it for the ES and three foreign markets so you cover RTH's 24/7 throughout the world as it turns.

 

[Trader666]

I described the issue in the post you quoted. Why don't you read it, as well as Vikana's post. I know you're not used to two way communication but please remember we're not followers.

Quote from jack hershey:

Please publish.

Try to get the whole package on the table and Vikana will be helping you. He volumteered yesterday.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from vikana:

So true. I believe the "agreement" Jack was referring to was for him to stay away. He has been banned several times under different aliases already :eek:

I have been banned under all of my handles. the most recent was by Magna two weekends ago when cd23 was banned uinder the rule that only one handle is permitted. this banning was the result of a complaint made about the "claim" that I was posting to myself to make points. In fact, when I turn on a given computer I did not check to see Jack Hershey or cd23 was my handle.

Here in this thread the moderator has asked me not to post while asking me to post in a thread he would set up and moderator for one of his purposes.

at one po9int I did leave for a while. at that time the moderation level had fallen considerably and if I posted anywhere it brought on a swarm of repeated cut and pastes that wiped out the bandwidth, roughly speaking. It was a severe burden to those who keep the intellectual exchange going by participation. the burden was bet cured by my evaporating at that time.

Today there are many active multi aliases and many serial aliases rolling out. Moderation descretion allows for this and it is bordering on insanity in some cases and almost humor in other cases.

 

[sunggong]

Dear Jack Hershey,

You need to stop babbling and just post some actual trading statements.

Do that for just a week to PROVE that you can capture 3x ATR every single day.

It's that simple.

So stop typing and post some real trading statements.

Thanks.

 

[smilingsynic]

Quote from jack hershey:

My goal in informing you was to help YOU become RICH. Reread the article five tiomes and do the code to move the Zig Zag
David 1 dots to the left a little so the ratio runs up to 15 or 20. Also do it for the ES and three foreign markets so you cover RTH's 24/7 throughout the world as it turns.

According to Boucher, page 46-47, "the swing chart overlay shows each swing of $50 or more in points using a standard zigzag indicator."

All zigzag indicators do is show what has happened. He was not showing a system. No system based on a canned indicator can capture anything close to 10X atr.

 

[smilingsynic]

Quote from sunggong:

Dear Jack Hershey,

You need to stop babbling and just post some actual trading statements.

Do that for just a week to PROVE that you can capture 3x ATR every single day.

It's that simple.

So stop typing and post some real trading statements.

Thanks.

I am not sure he wants trading profits, but rather just attention. He surely gets a lot of that here!

 

[bluebolt]

Quote from smilingsynic:

I am not sure he wants trading profits, but rather just attention. He surely gets a lot of that here!

Attention won't put gas in your car or food in your belly

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from Trader666:

I described the issue in the post you quoted. Why don't you read it, as well as Vikana's post. I know you're not used to two way communication but please remember we're not followers.

I recognize that you are not a follower and not a lot of other things.

You have a job to do and the results of doing that job are known.

Do your job and we will critique you to get it up to par for the financial industry.

Who knows you and vikana may go down in history as learning how the algorithm, PVT and SCT works as a consequence of applying science in an objective manner to a non probabalistic algorithm for pool extraction.

It's time to stop balking and pick up the pace.

Do you know where to get the stocks to test yet? If you do then use the script on 20 or more other exchanges to get a p< 0.05 for the combination of all the exchange testing.*

As soon as you get your baseline, then run everthing every day as a comprehensive forward test.

Set up each trading modus for each exchange in the context of a standard lifestyle from ecomomic system to economic system.

Since all of this is anticipatory, you can set up a summary daily pre open presentation for all 21 exchanges to replace Bloomberg and the CNBC talking heads who deal primarily with "What was that?". I have already turned down CNBC as you know.


*modify the script for Sidney to take into account the additional degrees of freedom.

 

[Trader666]

I say again: go back and read my post and Vikana's. It's obvious that either you didn't, or you did and are just trying to obfuscate your way out of having objective results for your "methods" posted again.

Quote from jack hershey:

I recognize that you are not a follower and not a lot of other things.

You have a job to do and the results of doing that job are known.

Do your job and we will critique you to get it up to par for the financial industry.

Who knows you and vikana may go down in history as learning how the algorithm, PVT and SCT works as a consequence of applying science in an objective manner to a non probabalistic algorithm for pool extraction.

It's time to stop balking and pick up the pace.

Do you know where to get the stocks to test yet? If you do then use the script on 20 or more other exchanges to get a p< 0.05 for the combination of all the exchange testing.*

As soon as you get your baseline, then run everthing every day as a comprehensive forward test.

Set up each trading modus for each exchange in the context of a standard lifestyle from ecomomic system to economic system.

Since all of this is anticipatory, you can set up a summary daily pre open presentation for all 21 exchanges to replace Bloomberg and the CNBC talking heads who deal primarily with "What was that?". I have already turned down CNBC as you know.


*modify the script for Sidney to take into account the additional degrees of freedom.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from smilingsynic:

According to Boucher, page 46-47, "the swing chart overlay shows each swing of $50 or more in points using a standard zigzag indicator."

All zigzag indicators do is show what has happened. He was not showing a system. No system based on a canned indicator can capture anything close to 10X atr.

Hint: reread my posts.

Note that I have suggested that Zig Zag David 1 can be tweaked.

For the tweaking notice the TRADER666 central theme presently "Tomorrow's Newspaper Today". This name appeared back in the days of emailing waves and before the web picked up steam.

The clipping function of anticipatory trend indicators can be adjusted to any degree desired. See the excel of years back entitled "Yellow Brick Road" this Power Law consideration opeartes commonly as a 4th degree polynomial when data is converted to continuous functions.

Operating at 3x daily range is a nominal operating point in the infinite scheme of things.

Here in ET we get to see the personal calibrations of poeple who may or may not have business plans or trading plans.

How many days will it take before more than four (the present count) people will introduce how the range of types of trading days relates to the effectiveness or efficiency of given trading approaches. It will take a while.

Why do you think people want prints daily for a period of time (the period requested show the requestors sophisitcation with repsect to this non informative request).

Can you imagine what it is going to be like in a few years when programmers oriented to CW algorithms try to reverse engineer non probabalistic algorithms??? lol.....

What do you think itwill be like when the CW talking heads begin to run into people who don't do betting and predictions?